Comments on: Redefining national interest http://razarumi.com/2010/07/26/redefining-national-interest/ Just another WordPress site Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:58:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Naveed Abbas http://razarumi.com/2010/07/26/redefining-national-interest/#comment-19508 Naveed Abbas Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:10:05 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=3380#comment-19508 Lets not loose heart with the dismal state of affairs. Actually policy-makers are not willing to catch up on both the sides. The real issue is "lack of sincerity" rather lack of vision. An 'inherited stalemate' is being established between the two countries. Lets hope wisdom prevails before its tool late! Lets not loose heart with the dismal state of affairs. Actually policy-makers are not willing to catch up on both the sides. The real issue is “lack of sincerity” rather lack of vision. An ‘inherited stalemate’ is being established between the two countries.

Lets hope wisdom prevails before its tool late!

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By: Dastagir http://razarumi.com/2010/07/26/redefining-national-interest/#comment-19084 Dastagir Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:04:17 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=3380#comment-19084 Arun : i didnt mean to imply a strategy... to try and build a relationship based on "Mutual Sorrows Balancing". Fact of the matter is that the COMMON MAN's condition is pathetic in India and Pakistan. There are 400 million people who are BPL (Below Poverty Line) in India. There are 700 Million people who earn less than Rs. 20/- a day. [I am quoting Sitaram Yechury, CPI-M Leader, from his speech only yesterday]. Why did it come to this ? A lot of money (in Trillions of $) were spent on Arms by India and Pakistan. Had there been TRUST between the two countries, though Defence cannot be neglected (though non-violence is a very eclectic thought); just presume even if it was reduced by 30%.. we would have had around 300 Billion USD.. of money-in-hand for poverty alleviation.. and capacity building (Strengthening Education, Health Care, Transport, Roads, Water supply, Drainage/Sewerage). Because of "hatred" and "FEAR"., both countries have to-date spent more than a Trillion USD... It is romantic., but there is some truth in "what is morally wrong cannot be politically right". If they had resolved J&K., and arrived at some solution., the history of SE Asia could have taken a different turn. Pakistan's "incompleteness" (Unfinished item of the Partition Agenda) was hijacked to fool the people of Pakistan for 60+ years. They never had the luxury to sit down and plan long term. There was a fear of war with India 24x7. Wars (65, 71, and even the Kargil operation) strengthened right-wing elements in SE Asia. India broke Pakistan into 2 in 1971., and Indira Gandhi in turn became dictator and fascism dawned in India. From that date., until now., its been 40 yrs., India has not recovered. Indira the dictator destroyed judiciary, administration / bureaucracy (committed bureaucracy), institutions., parliament., etc., by introducing Goons into Politics. She undid all the fine work and all the fine institutions built by Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru. So out of evil cometh good., is not always true. There is no leader of stature in SE Asia (Indo-Pak-Bangla). We have politicians though. The future of SE Asia is bleak. I am pained as i write this. Its destiny is war after war after war, draining all of its resources into weapons acquisition. Fear 24x7 leading to weapons acquisition leading to wars. That is the destiny... unfortunately ! Arun : i didnt mean to imply a strategy… to try and build a relationship based on “Mutual Sorrows Balancing”. Fact of the matter is that the COMMON MAN’s condition is pathetic in India and Pakistan. There are 400 million people who are BPL (Below Poverty Line) in India. There are 700 Million people who earn less than Rs. 20/- a day. [I am quoting Sitaram Yechury, CPI-M Leader, from his speech only yesterday]. Why did it come to this ? A lot of money (in Trillions of $) were spent on Arms by India and Pakistan. Had there been TRUST between the two countries, though Defence cannot be neglected (though non-violence is a very eclectic thought); just presume even if it was reduced by 30%.. we would have had around 300 Billion USD.. of money-in-hand for poverty alleviation.. and capacity building (Strengthening Education, Health Care, Transport, Roads, Water supply, Drainage/Sewerage). Because of “hatred” and “FEAR”., both countries have to-date spent more than a Trillion USD…

It is romantic., but there is some truth in “what is morally wrong cannot be politically right”. If they had resolved J&K., and arrived at some solution., the history of SE Asia could have taken a different turn.

Pakistan’s “incompleteness” (Unfinished item of the Partition Agenda) was hijacked to fool the people of Pakistan for 60+ years. They never had the luxury to sit down and plan long term. There was a fear of war with India 24×7. Wars (65, 71, and even the Kargil operation) strengthened right-wing elements in SE Asia. India broke Pakistan into 2 in 1971., and Indira Gandhi in turn became dictator and fascism dawned in India. From that date., until now., its been 40 yrs., India has not recovered. Indira the dictator destroyed judiciary, administration / bureaucracy (committed bureaucracy), institutions., parliament., etc., by introducing Goons into Politics. She undid all the fine work and all the fine institutions built by Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru. So out of evil cometh good., is not always true.

There is no leader of stature in SE Asia (Indo-Pak-Bangla). We have politicians though. The future of SE Asia is bleak. I am pained as i write this. Its destiny is war after war after war, draining all of its resources into weapons acquisition.

Fear 24×7 leading to weapons acquisition leading to wars. That is the destiny… unfortunately !

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By: Arun http://razarumi.com/2010/07/26/redefining-national-interest/#comment-19077 Arun Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:09:35 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=3380#comment-19077 While trying to fix India-Pakistan problems, if I were Pakistani, I would distrust anyone who pulls down India to make "equal-equal" with Pakistan to make a platform for subsequent agreement. The comment above is a case in point. Just take one factoid - "Around 45% of Indians vote in an election. In other words 55% dont vote." In the parliamentary elections since 1950, at least 55% of the registered voters have voted; the maximum turn-out has been 63%. Since this is so easily verifiable, I don't know why such a blatant falsehood has to be made. If this is the way of saying "oh, things in India are just as bad as Pakistan; see now we have a basis for peace" that is not going to work. 1. Things are bad in India, but in qualitatively and quantitatively different ways that make comparisons pointless. 2. Mutual sympathy for each other's internal mis-governance is not a basis for peace. 3. Any peace has to be based on what positives each can offer the other, and not merely removal of negatives (e.g., nuclear weapon use doctrine). While trying to fix India-Pakistan problems, if I were Pakistani, I would distrust anyone who pulls down India to make “equal-equal” with Pakistan to make a platform for subsequent agreement.

The comment above is a case in point. Just take one factoid – “Around 45% of Indians vote in an election. In other words 55% dont vote.” In the parliamentary elections since 1950, at least 55% of the registered voters have voted; the maximum turn-out has been 63%. Since this is so easily verifiable, I don’t know why such a blatant falsehood has to be made.

If this is the way of saying “oh, things in India are just as bad as Pakistan; see now we have a basis for peace” that is not going to work.

1. Things are bad in India, but in qualitatively and quantitatively different ways that make comparisons pointless.

2. Mutual sympathy for each other’s internal mis-governance is not a basis for peace.

3. Any peace has to be based on what positives each can offer the other, and not merely removal of negatives (e.g., nuclear weapon use doctrine).

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By: Dastagir http://razarumi.com/2010/07/26/redefining-national-interest/#comment-19062 Dastagir Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:27:03 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=3380#comment-19062 I dont know why i am writing these few lines., when i know for a fact, that it is an exercise in futility. Why am i repeating myself. Do i like to read my thoughts yet one more time ! Does it assuage some insecurity. Does it make me feel as if i did my part (a liberation of sorts) ! Fact of the matter is ugly. Indo-Pak insecurity/hate is a USD 28 billion business (annually). RSS is ruling India., the Mullah is ruling Pakistan (THE MINDS., not the geographic entity, per se). Slow and steady wins the race. RSS started crawling slowly., until it conquered the Indian MIND. Today 99% of Indians are steeped in hatred for Pakistan. Hating Pakistan (and Pakistanis) to death is the measuring rod/scale of being a true Indian. It has come to that. The 2 countries have become perennial enemies. Peace is the period between 2 wars. India has become a Huge Jagir for RSS (80 yrs of hate-bank politics rewarded at last); and Pakistan has become a Jagir for Mullah + Zamindar combination. Suffering is the destiny of the Aam Aadmi in both India and Pakistan. There is no deliverance. There is no leader in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Bureaucrats are running the country, with some leaders thrown in to provide cover / semblance of democracy. Around 45% of Indians vote in an election. In other words 55% dont vote. This is not good for indian democracy. Lakhs of names are deleted at the click of a button from the voters' lists ! For MP : To win a Parliament election, one needs between Rs. 50 - 100 Crores ! For MLA : its between Rs. 15-30 crores ! Ambedkar had expressed doubts. Even a bad constitution in the hands of good people will have produce some good results., but the best constitution in the hands of cardinally evil people will not produce any good. What makes a whole nation "bad" ? It is feeding of information (thru education / media / literature). It is the realm of the mind. Unfortunately, RSS thru its slow-and-steady strategy has won India (mentally). This feeds the Mullah-Zamindar Criminal Nexus in Pakistan. Both feed on each other.. as the common man moans.. People are now committing suicide in both countries. As if to say., they approve of "MARRANTIK SALLEKHANA"., a Jain Philosophy., wherein one stops eating and drinking., and chooses the date/time of his death... voluntarily... after feeling that he/she has done his life's work.... and the remaining is a waste of time... and resources (waste of grain and water). Someone productive can / could / must eat that food. It has come to that. I dont know why i am writing these few lines., when i know for a fact, that it is an exercise in futility. Why am i repeating myself. Do i like to read my thoughts yet one more time ! Does it assuage some insecurity. Does it make me feel as if i did my part (a liberation of sorts) !

Fact of the matter is ugly. Indo-Pak insecurity/hate is a USD 28 billion business (annually). RSS is ruling India., the Mullah is ruling Pakistan (THE MINDS., not the geographic entity, per se). Slow and steady wins the race. RSS started crawling slowly., until it conquered the Indian MIND. Today 99% of Indians are steeped in hatred for Pakistan. Hating Pakistan (and Pakistanis) to death is the measuring rod/scale of being a true Indian. It has come to that. The 2 countries have become perennial enemies. Peace is the period between 2 wars. India has become a Huge Jagir for RSS (80 yrs of hate-bank politics rewarded at last); and Pakistan has become a Jagir for Mullah + Zamindar combination.

Suffering is the destiny of the Aam Aadmi in both India and Pakistan. There is no deliverance. There is no leader in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Bureaucrats are running the country, with some leaders thrown in to provide cover / semblance of democracy. Around 45% of Indians vote in an election. In other words 55% dont vote. This is not good for indian democracy. Lakhs of names are deleted at the click of a button from the voters’ lists ! For MP : To win a Parliament election, one needs between Rs. 50 – 100 Crores ! For MLA : its between Rs. 15-30 crores !

Ambedkar had expressed doubts. Even a bad constitution in the hands of good people will have produce some good results., but the best constitution in the hands of cardinally evil people will not produce any good. What makes a whole nation “bad” ? It is feeding of information (thru education / media / literature). It is the realm of the mind. Unfortunately, RSS thru its slow-and-steady strategy has won India (mentally).

This feeds the Mullah-Zamindar Criminal Nexus in Pakistan. Both feed on each other.. as the common man moans.. People are now committing suicide in both countries. As if to say., they approve of “MARRANTIK SALLEKHANA”., a Jain Philosophy., wherein one stops eating and drinking., and chooses the date/time of his death… voluntarily… after feeling that he/she has done his life’s work…. and the remaining is a waste of time… and resources (waste of grain and water). Someone productive can / could / must eat that food.

It has come to that.

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