Comments on: A red card for the Secular Indian Muslim http://razarumi.com/2010/03/14/a-red-card-for-the-sim/ Just another WordPress site Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:58:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: sunny http://razarumi.com/2010/03/14/a-red-card-for-the-sim/#comment-17088 sunny Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:16:29 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=3051#comment-17088 Mr. Rumi, Its never about red card to any secular group in India. it is all about baking political motives over emotional quotient of Indian Public.Mr Husain is no doubt a Indian pearl but unfortunately we lost him. Even though at present literacy rate of whole world will be better then what it was 50 or 100 year ago still most of the decisions we take by emotions . Mr Husain just try to portray his art or imagination in the form of Mother India but few guys felt hurt and attacked him but dont you think it is narrow mind of few due to which whole this episode happen ..so is it right to point finger to whole country ? by the way same episode happen in Europe too when some painter painted Prophet Muhammad's cartoon ..in fact i too rebuke that but its all about how one's religious feeling get hurt. @dastagir: well done Mr. dastgir ..."this is due to manufactured history of hatred., spoiling young minds… from K.G. itself… the stories… the history… Shivaji… Afzal Khan… Aurangzeb… the stereotyping.. “Sherwani-Ghar mein Pareshani”… the ridicule… etc. etc."....don't you think you forget to add : Great AKBAR ,Jahangir..a long great history of MUGHAL kingdom... you talked about manufactured hatred .it seems you have taste of it. see one thing is sure no single king ..no religion or any country can conquer this world . it is true that due to our narrow mindedness we keep on fighting with other fellow human beings but just think what religion tell us ...take any religion .Hindu ..Islam or Christianity message of all of them is same ..live with peace and harmony and let other live too. when message of all the religion is same then who the hell we are to differentiate them.just because of their ease and dominance our religious leaders divide us over religion . no archive in India showed religious riots in India before 1800 th century .please preach love not hatred .... Mr. Rumi,
Its never about red card to any secular group in India. it is all about baking political motives over emotional quotient of Indian Public.Mr Husain is no doubt a Indian pearl but unfortunately we lost him. Even though at present literacy rate of whole world will be better then what it was 50 or 100 year ago still most of the decisions we take by emotions . Mr Husain just try to portray his art or imagination in the form of Mother India but few guys felt hurt and attacked him but dont you think it is narrow mind of few due to which whole this episode happen ..so is it right to point finger to whole country ? by the way same episode happen in Europe too when some painter painted Prophet Muhammad’s cartoon ..in fact i too rebuke that but its all about how one’s religious feeling get hurt.

@dastagir: well done Mr. dastgir …”this is due to manufactured history of hatred., spoiling young minds… from K.G. itself… the stories… the history… Shivaji… Afzal Khan… Aurangzeb… the stereotyping.. “Sherwani-Ghar mein Pareshani”… the ridicule… etc. etc.”….don’t you think you forget to add : Great AKBAR ,Jahangir..a long great history of MUGHAL kingdom… you talked about manufactured hatred .it seems you have taste of it. see one thing is sure no single king ..no religion or any country can conquer this world . it is true that due to our narrow mindedness we keep on fighting with other fellow human beings but just think what religion tell us …take any religion .Hindu ..Islam or Christianity message of all of them is same ..live with peace and harmony and let other live too. when message of all the religion is same then who the hell we are to differentiate them.just because of their ease and dominance our religious leaders divide us over religion . no archive in India showed religious riots in India before 1800 th century .please preach love not hatred ….

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By: Lahore’s love for renowned poet « Lahore Nama http://razarumi.com/2010/03/14/a-red-card-for-the-sim/#comment-17050 Lahore’s love for renowned poet « Lahore Nama Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:57:48 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=3051#comment-17050 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] is love My God is love I am a child of love I have come only to speak of love - Jalaluddin Rumi A red card for the Secular Indian MuslimI am posting a brilliant piece (published by Indian Express) by my dear friend Rakhshanda Jalil - [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] is love My God is love I am a child of love I have come only to speak of love – Jalaluddin Rumi A red card for the Secular Indian MuslimI am posting a brilliant piece (published by Indian Express) by my dear friend Rakhshanda Jalil – [...]

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By: Amit Julka http://razarumi.com/2010/03/14/a-red-card-for-the-sim/#comment-17044 Amit Julka Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:40:29 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=3051#comment-17044 1)To Rakshanda Jalil: Although I liked your article, the way you have attempted to put the whole Indian Muslim community(which numbers 160 million!) in 2 boxes is quite foolish. Infact you may have unwittingly used the same approach as those on the 'right' side of things-break stuff into black or white and then demonize the 'black' 2)To dastagir: Dude, when I started reading your article, I liked it....but later on it acted as a huge disappointment.Especially, your statement "while Hindus slowly but surely regain control the Economy of UAE ! ]. Why are Muslims step-by-step surrendering their economies…"...i mean....get a life....Is India a Hindu economy or America a christian/jewish one(depending on which one you hate more)?...then why is the 'Muslim' yardstick applied to Arab countries...It is this thinking which may lead to greater harm than millions of 'Hindus' in the Gulf ever could... 1)To Rakshanda Jalil: Although I liked your article, the way you have attempted to put the whole Indian Muslim community(which numbers 160 million!) in 2 boxes is quite foolish. Infact you may have unwittingly used the same approach as those on the ‘right’ side of things-break stuff into black or white and then demonize the ‘black’

2)To dastagir: Dude, when I started reading your article, I liked it….but later on it acted as a huge disappointment.Especially, your statement “while Hindus slowly but surely regain control the Economy of UAE ! ]. Why are Muslims step-by-step surrendering their economies…”…i mean….get a life….Is India a Hindu economy or America a christian/jewish one(depending on which one you hate more)?…then why is the ‘Muslim’ yardstick applied to Arab countries…It is this thinking which may lead to greater harm than millions of ‘Hindus’ in the Gulf ever could…

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By: dastagir http://razarumi.com/2010/03/14/a-red-card-for-the-sim/#comment-16924 dastagir Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:12:26 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=3051#comment-16924 Rakshanda : You have touched the raw nerve... struck at the achille's heel. "Why does the Govt. view SIM as an exception that is quaint and other-worldly, a minority within a minority, to be patted on the back and given an occasional Padma Shri......... but not to be taken seriously, otherwise !" In real politics., (and not an academic debate); you are respected for your LETHALITY. Justice is dispensed / rendered out of fear, not for good manners. The Govt (s) may LIKE the secular Indian., but they prefer not to do business with them. WHY ? Because somehow the PERCEPTION (which is contrary to reality) is that the non-SIM commands better respect within the community. That the non-SIM is a true representative of the community. To put it crudely, the non-SIM is a better Muslim than a SIM ! This is NOT the reality, but a misplaced perception... and this will change with time. Give another 100 years. There have to be SIM success stories... SIM must sell within the community... SIM must display success(es) in various fields... to be taken notice of. If there is a religious "IJTEMAA" (gathering); you have lakhs attending. If there is a Seminar., you have an attendance of 200 ! [The same is applicable to the majority community too... a public meeting addressed by Praveen Togadia attracts lakhs of listeners... whereas a meeting addressed by M.S. Swaminathan will attract only a 100 !... but then... you cannot apply the same yardstick to others]. Democracy is afterall a game of numbers. India is not Hindu-Majority... cuz there are huge divisions among Hindus themselves. However., they are all united on one thing : ISLAM... and aversion to Islam and its adherents... some are crude in it... some are sophisticated and do not display it... but an under-current exists. This is due to manufactured history of hatred., spoiling young minds... from K.G. itself... the stories... the history... Shivaji... Afzal Khan... Aurangzeb... the stereotyping.. "Sherwani-Ghar mein Pareshani"... the ridicule... etc. etc. How will things change ? With time. Perception change needs time... maybe a century. Education. The Muslim Woman is not just a child-bearing factory or a hatchery. She is an individual and she must educate herself. Parents must educate the girl-child. If they dont., she will remain a hatchery. As the journey continues., muslims must graduate to INSTITUTION-BUILDING. If they dont., they will do small businesses (cycle-puncture... cleaning cars... small restaurants [bhatiyaar-khanas]... or forced to travel to Dubai, working in the restaurants owned by Lata Mangeshkar and Asha Bhonsle in Dubai, as cooks and waiters... cleaning plates... or work as clerks and/or Drivers in the homes of their FELLOW-BRETHREN Arab Muslim brothers in Dubai... while Hindus slowly but surely regain control the Economy of UAE ! ]. Why are Muslims step-by-step surrendering their economies... Once you see Muslim success stories around the world... and in India... it is only then that SMI will be respected. Until then., its running around the tree of stereotyping... unfortunate... but thats the grim reality. Rakshanda : You have touched the raw nerve… struck at the achille’s heel.

“Why does the Govt. view SIM as an exception that is quaint and other-worldly, a minority within a minority, to be patted on the back and given an occasional Padma Shri……… but not to be taken seriously, otherwise !”

In real politics., (and not an academic debate); you are respected for your LETHALITY. Justice is dispensed / rendered out of fear, not for good manners. The Govt (s) may LIKE the secular Indian., but they prefer not to do business with them.

WHY ? Because somehow the PERCEPTION (which is contrary to reality) is that the non-SIM commands better respect within the community. That the non-SIM is a true representative of the community. To put it crudely, the non-SIM is a better Muslim than a SIM ! This is NOT the reality, but a misplaced perception… and this will change with time. Give another 100 years.

There have to be SIM success stories… SIM must sell within the community… SIM must display success(es) in various fields… to be taken notice of. If there is a religious “IJTEMAA” (gathering); you have lakhs attending. If there is a Seminar., you have an attendance of 200 ! [The same is applicable to the majority community too... a public meeting addressed by Praveen Togadia attracts lakhs of listeners... whereas a meeting addressed by M.S. Swaminathan will attract only a 100 !... but then... you cannot apply the same yardstick to others].

Democracy is afterall a game of numbers. India is not Hindu-Majority… cuz there are huge divisions among Hindus themselves. However., they are all united on one thing : ISLAM… and aversion to Islam and its adherents… some are crude in it… some are sophisticated and do not display it… but an under-current exists. This is due to manufactured history of hatred., spoiling young minds… from K.G. itself… the stories… the history… Shivaji… Afzal Khan… Aurangzeb… the stereotyping.. “Sherwani-Ghar mein Pareshani”… the ridicule… etc. etc.

How will things change ? With time. Perception change needs time… maybe a century. Education. The Muslim Woman is not just a child-bearing factory or a hatchery. She is an individual and she must educate herself. Parents must educate the girl-child. If they dont., she will remain a hatchery. As the journey continues., muslims must graduate to INSTITUTION-BUILDING. If they dont., they will do small businesses (cycle-puncture… cleaning cars… small restaurants [bhatiyaar-khanas]… or forced to travel to Dubai, working in the restaurants owned by Lata Mangeshkar and Asha Bhonsle in Dubai, as cooks and waiters… cleaning plates… or work as clerks and/or Drivers in the homes of their FELLOW-BRETHREN Arab Muslim brothers in Dubai… while Hindus slowly but surely regain control the Economy of UAE ! ]. Why are Muslims step-by-step surrendering their economies…

Once you see Muslim success stories around the world… and in India… it is only then that SMI will be respected. Until then., its running around the tree of stereotyping… unfortunate… but thats the grim reality.

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