Comments on: Blogging without borders http://razarumi.com/2009/11/16/blogging-without-borders/ Just another WordPress site Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:58:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Arpan Chaudhry http://razarumi.com/2009/11/16/blogging-without-borders/#comment-31133 Arpan Chaudhry Mon, 05 Sep 2011 09:53:55 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=2066#comment-31133 You have impressive thought process. I think its high time we overcome shadow of hate and suspicion. Its a relation where you can Hate or Love the other but cant be indifferent. And How can a country progress if it continue to hate another country which share half of its international Border. I think its time we messengers of Love overrun these Hate Mongers on both sides.. Pen is our Sword !! You have impressive thought process. I think its high time we overcome shadow of hate and suspicion. Its a relation where you can Hate or Love the other but cant be indifferent. And How can a country progress if it continue to hate another country which share half of its international Border. I think its time we messengers of Love overrun these Hate Mongers on both sides.. Pen is our Sword !!

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By: abdul al-okullah http://razarumi.com/2009/11/16/blogging-without-borders/#comment-23866 abdul al-okullah Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:18:14 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=2066#comment-23866 For a nation that pretended to be different than India, why do Pakistani's spend so much time writing about the "other"? This is an unhealthy fascination. Perhaps, they need to assure themselves that they didn't make a mistake. For a nation that pretended to be different than India, why do Pakistani’s spend so much time writing about the “other”? This is an unhealthy fascination. Perhaps, they need to assure themselves that they didn’t make a mistake.

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By: BB http://razarumi.com/2009/11/16/blogging-without-borders/#comment-23864 BB Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:13:04 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=2066#comment-23864 @raza your strange comparison of pak with India (to 1 fundamentalist 7 secular) does not stand if you could notice the number of minorities in Pak! They are invisible now, still migrating to India. How many minorities went to pak, even though it is an exclusively muslim country? Indians are 'jingoistic Islamophobes'!!wrong. Indians are at best pakistanphobe. Since its pak who threaten India daily with its nukes, sits pretty under its umbrella to commit heinous crime like 26/11, fund wahabi madrasa, lure young muslim youth into terrorism, take away land inciting local muslims colluding with china. And, all that in name of religion. Indians felt sad for BB, because they are not vengeful(or islamophobe) by nature. They knew about her intentions, still felt bad(even myself) because she was a woman leader and a human being. I guess pakistanis lost all moral right to judge india, because if there is hate and mistrust in india its due to the contribution of pak. The truth is Indian muslims also dislike pak because of obvious reasons. Indians see the blasphemy related horror in pakistan and guess what is the percentage of secular inclusive people(may be 30 in the whole country), no matter how hard you people try to cover paks hardcore islamic fundamentalist society. @raza your strange comparison of pak with India (to 1 fundamentalist 7 secular) does not stand if you could notice the number of minorities in Pak! They are invisible now, still migrating to India. How many minorities went to pak, even though it is an exclusively muslim country? Indians are ‘jingoistic Islamophobes’!!wrong. Indians are at best pakistanphobe. Since its pak who threaten India daily with its nukes, sits pretty under its umbrella to commit heinous crime like 26/11, fund wahabi madrasa, lure young muslim youth into terrorism, take away land inciting local muslims colluding with china. And, all that in name of religion. Indians felt sad for BB, because they are not vengeful(or islamophobe) by nature. They knew about her intentions, still felt bad(even myself) because she was a woman leader and a human being. I guess pakistanis lost all moral right to judge india, because if there is hate and mistrust in india its due to the contribution of pak. The truth is Indian muslims also dislike pak because of obvious reasons. Indians see the blasphemy related horror in pakistan and guess what is the percentage of secular inclusive people(may be 30 in the whole country), no matter how hard you people try to cover paks hardcore islamic fundamentalist society.

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By: Bharat Rakshak • View topic - Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2011 http://razarumi.com/2009/11/16/blogging-without-borders/#comment-23851 Bharat Rakshak • View topic - Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2011 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:09:15 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=2066#comment-23851 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] article written in 2009 -Blogging without bordersQuote:To one bigot in India, there are 10 peaceniks and to one fundamentalist, there are perhaps [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] article written in 2009 -Blogging without bordersQuote:To one bigot in India, there are 10 peaceniks and to one fundamentalist, there are perhaps [...]

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By: Geetali http://razarumi.com/2009/11/16/blogging-without-borders/#comment-14112 Geetali Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:40:19 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=2066#comment-14112 Raza, reading this post gives me a peculiar sense of deja vu. I was in Lahore at the very moment you were wandering in Ajmer! Visitng Lahore was seeing the ''the other''. A gentler, safer, more hospitable, more cultured version of Delhi. A city where all I encountered was boundless friendship and warmth. Travelling on work, I was made to stay at PC, but I don't think I ever ate at the hotel. My friends made sure I had ''ghar ka khaana'' every single night. There was the Rafi Peer festival, for qawwali programmes, impromptu mushairas in the suburbs and for mandatory trips to Gowal Mandi for amazing food, the kinds which I'd never sampled in India. Wandering around Anarkali, visitng the grave of the late, great Faiz, trying (and failing!) to meet my childhood heartthrob Imran Khan (and the mirth this caused my Pakistani colleagues), "your" Shalimar Garden, and the grave of "our" Jehangir and Noorjehan - after a while, the differences felt very pointless. Unlike colleagues from other countries, I felt right at home, revelling in all the similarities and attempting (and failing) to find the ''other-ness''. Will I go back if I get a chance? In a shot. Raza, reading this post gives me a peculiar sense of deja vu. I was in Lahore at the very moment you were wandering in Ajmer! Visitng Lahore was seeing the ”the other”. A gentler, safer, more hospitable, more cultured version of Delhi. A city where all I encountered was boundless friendship and warmth. Travelling on work, I was made to stay at PC, but I don’t think I ever ate at the hotel. My friends made sure I had ”ghar ka khaana” every single night.
There was the Rafi Peer festival, for qawwali programmes, impromptu mushairas in the suburbs and for mandatory trips to Gowal Mandi for amazing food, the kinds which I’d never sampled in India. Wandering around Anarkali, visitng the grave of the late, great Faiz, trying (and failing!) to meet my childhood heartthrob Imran Khan (and the mirth this caused my Pakistani colleagues), “your” Shalimar Garden, and the grave of “our” Jehangir and Noorjehan – after a while, the differences felt very pointless.
Unlike colleagues from other countries, I felt right at home, revelling in all the similarities and attempting (and failing) to find the ”other-ness”.
Will I go back if I get a chance? In a shot.

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By: Monika http://razarumi.com/2009/11/16/blogging-without-borders/#comment-13912 Monika Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:39:00 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=2066#comment-13912 @ Cubano: I don't know how to react to your post. Think of it, if it were Indians who visited Pakistan after an attack in Karachi by some fanatic Indians, how would you have treated those Indians? I don't think most Pakistanis would have been hospitable to Indians either. I don't know why Pakistanis expect love from Indians when they go on bashing India, Indians and their religion openly to an extent where one doesn't even feel the need to see a Pakistani, let alone speak to a Pakistani. @ Raza Rumi: well, if you choose to visit Delhi’s filthy ghettos you can’t call the whole city as ‘dirty’. Old Delhi’s ghettos are known to be filthy like huge parts of Lahore. On the whole, Delhi is developing rapidly and isn’t as dirty as Lahore though as I have been to Lahore. My mother's father and my sister-in-law's whole family are originally from Lahore. Lahore seemed to me like a Muslim area in an Indian city, there was no diversity and the food seemed yucky as all we could eat was ''gosht''. It wasn't a pleasant experience although some people were pretending to be nice. If I wrote an article about Pakistani cities, I would be honest in my comparisons with Indian cities. IMO Indian people and cities in general are ahead in time than most Pakistani cities. The development which is taking place in Indian cities right now will be more visible next 10-15 years. @ Cubano: I don’t know how to react to your post. Think of it, if it were Indians who visited Pakistan after an attack in Karachi by some fanatic Indians, how would you have treated those Indians? I don’t think most Pakistanis would have been hospitable to Indians either. I don’t know why Pakistanis expect love from Indians when they go on bashing India, Indians and their religion openly to an extent where one doesn’t even feel the need to see a Pakistani, let alone speak to a Pakistani.
@ Raza Rumi: well, if you choose to visit Delhi’s filthy ghettos you can’t call the whole city as ‘dirty’. Old Delhi’s ghettos are known to be filthy like huge parts of Lahore. On the whole, Delhi is developing rapidly and isn’t as dirty as Lahore though as I have been to Lahore. My mother’s father and my sister-in-law’s whole family are originally from Lahore. Lahore seemed to me like a Muslim area in an Indian city, there was no diversity and the food seemed yucky as all we could eat was ”gosht”. It wasn’t a pleasant experience although some people were pretending to be nice. If I wrote an article about Pakistani cities, I would be honest in my comparisons with Indian cities. IMO Indian people and cities in general are ahead in time than most Pakistani cities. The development which is taking place in Indian cities right now will be more visible next 10-15 years.

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By: cubano http://razarumi.com/2009/11/16/blogging-without-borders/#comment-13516 cubano Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:36:24 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=2066#comment-13516 Great post. I had some similar experiences when I was in India last year. I had the opportunity to stay with Sikh, Hindu, Jain, and Muslim friends and found them all to be quite hospitable and friendly. As expected, they were intrigued about us and asked us many questions about Pakistan. It was fascination to find ties between the two countries even though they have been separated for so long. I stayed at a sikh friend's house whose father was born in Peshawar and was still able to read and write urdu. Other people knew the streets of bazaars in Pakistan better than I did. In Delhi there were shops named after Pakistani cities. The surprising thing to me was that people treated us so warmly even though we went only a few weeks after the Mumbai attacks. Though we still come across certain individuals who seem to be prejudiced against Pakistanis and Islamophobic most from the other side seemed to be genuinely friendly. The xenophobes generally tend to belong to the religious communities or some tend to have a jingoistic animosity toward Pakistan. I did notice that the media and government in India seemed to be obsessed with Pakistan in a very negative way. Every time I turned on the TV each news channel was discussing Pakistan, terrorism and the possibility of war. Hopefully that will change one day. Great post.

I had some similar experiences when I was in India last year. I had the opportunity to stay with Sikh, Hindu, Jain, and Muslim friends and found them all to be quite hospitable and friendly. As expected, they were intrigued about us and asked us many questions about Pakistan. It was fascination to find ties between the two countries even though they have been separated for so long. I stayed at a sikh friend’s house whose father was born in Peshawar and was still able to read and write urdu. Other people knew the streets of bazaars in Pakistan better than I did. In Delhi there were shops named after Pakistani cities. The surprising thing to me was that people treated us so warmly even though we went only a few weeks after the Mumbai attacks. Though we still come across certain individuals who seem to be prejudiced against Pakistanis and Islamophobic most from the other side seemed to be genuinely friendly. The xenophobes generally tend to belong to the religious communities or some tend to have a jingoistic animosity toward Pakistan.

I did notice that the media and government in India seemed to be obsessed with Pakistan in a very negative way. Every time I turned on the TV each news channel was discussing Pakistan, terrorism and the possibility of war. Hopefully that will change one day.

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By: quietude n http://razarumi.com/2009/11/16/blogging-without-borders/#comment-13283 quietude n Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:33:32 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=2066#comment-13283 *written *written

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By: quietude n http://razarumi.com/2009/11/16/blogging-without-borders/#comment-13282 quietude n Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:32:49 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=2066#comment-13282 well write post sir. well write post sir.

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By: Nadima http://razarumi.com/2009/11/16/blogging-without-borders/#comment-13265 Nadima Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:30:17 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=2066#comment-13265 Article is very well written Allah apko nazar bad se bachayay your picture is also very nice. Article is very well written
Allah apko nazar bad se bachayay your picture is also very nice.

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By: Bloggers Pakistan - Pakistani Blog Aggregator http://razarumi.com/2009/11/16/blogging-without-borders/#comment-13262 Bloggers Pakistan - Pakistani Blog Aggregator Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:35:19 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=2066#comment-13262 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Blogging without borders [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Blogging without borders [...]

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