Comments on: The devolution saga http://razarumi.com/2009/07/23/the-devolution-saga/ Just another WordPress site Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:58:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: The devolution saga | Jahane Rumi | PNB http://razarumi.com/2009/07/23/the-devolution-saga/#comment-11855 The devolution saga | Jahane Rumi | PNB Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:53:23 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1740#comment-11855 [...] that were handling the situation while the army of nazims in Lahore was nowhere to be seen. … Go to Source No tags for this [...] [...] that were handling the situation while the army of nazims in Lahore was nowhere to be seen. … Go to Source No tags for this [...]

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By: shama zaidi http://razarumi.com/2009/07/23/the-devolution-saga/#comment-11839 shama zaidi Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:22:29 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1740#comment-11839 dear raza saheb maybe the recent citizen initiative in bombay might be of some use to our our pakistani friends. fed up with the local parties the citizens of juhu consisting of resident associations and slum committees set up their own candidate as a local counciller. and he won. he has proved very effective and is very accessible and we can pull him up as he is our candidate. the same group put up a mohalla panchayat bill asking for elected local urban panchyats as we have in our villages. this bill was totally mangled and watered down to become useless. so they want to now elect a member to the legislative council (vidhan sabha) of maharashtra to press for this bill and other local issues. dear raza saheb
maybe the recent citizen initiative in bombay might be of some use to our our pakistani friends. fed up with the local parties the citizens of juhu consisting of resident associations and slum committees set up their own candidate as a local counciller. and he won. he has proved very effective and is very accessible and we can pull him up as he is our candidate. the same group put up a mohalla panchayat bill asking for elected local urban panchyats as we have in our villages. this bill was totally mangled and watered down to become useless. so they want to now elect a member to the legislative council (vidhan sabha) of maharashtra to press for this bill and other local issues.

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By: laalay ki jaan http://razarumi.com/2009/07/23/the-devolution-saga/#comment-11808 laalay ki jaan Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:43:11 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1740#comment-11808 We certainly are an unfortunate polity as we will now pay for the half-baked We certainly are an unfortunate polity as we will now pay for the half-baked

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By: Ihsanullah Bangash http://razarumi.com/2009/07/23/the-devolution-saga/#comment-11777 Ihsanullah Bangash Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:47:50 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1740#comment-11777 Alternate View "The debate on the scrapping of Musharraf’s devolution experiment cannot hide or ignore two key imperatives. First, that all elected political governments have an antipathy for local democracy at the expense of all known and accepted democratic norms and principles. Second, never has Pakistan been so much in need for building public institutions as against giving way to shortsighted vested interest". "But, the debate is marred by the district management group (DMG)'s obsession with their past glory and a desire to take the country back to the 19th century, if not earlier. The simple issue is that, while the DMG are not so powerful anymore, they have a got a soft ear to play up the genuine concerns of the political leadership relating to law and order. The question is if the DMG was the solution, why did TNSM succeeded in Swat in the first place in 1990s or the institution of Political Agent, another beacon of hope for many DMG walas, failed us in FATA?". "The reality is that political elites need to understand that while public oversight of the police is absolutely necessary, they can not have a free hand in using trained cadres of armed men at their disposal to use against their opponents and as a tool to perpetuate the system of patronage. The elected nazims are a good way to articulate development policy priorities. The police, however, at best be kept independent and under a strict public oversight mechanism". • Overwhelming majority of the public does not subscribe to the view that "non-uniformed civilian state was missing". This is based on careful review of public participation in the debate being conducted over media. Some studies will also be released shortly that point to the same fact. • "Frittering away of provincial governments' authority"? I thought we were discussing local government and its authority. We then probably should do away with provinces as well and just have federal government exercise its "authority" throughout the country. • "Musharraf-Naqvi-Aziz production flopped at the local box office" just like Pakistan's efforts to improve social services miserably failed at the hands of district administration towards the end of Social Action Program. • As regards your point about intelligentsia and media supporting the launch and implementation of local democracy, why shouldn’t they support something that is good in principle? Let the elected government bring out a system that is in line with the democratic principles of local governance (representation and accountability) and you will see a lot of support for it as well. • We certainly are an unfortunate polity as we will now pay for the half-baked, un-representative and certainly unaccountable bureaucracy put in-charge as administrators. We never learn, do we? • If NRB was arrogant, is Punjab government being any different in introducing the changes and "reform"? Reform is a long term process but the process itself should be open, transparent and consultative. It should, at no point, loose sight of the objectives and basic principles like representation and accountability. Alternate View

“The debate on the scrapping of Musharraf’s devolution experiment cannot hide or ignore two key imperatives. First, that all elected political governments have an antipathy for local democracy at the expense of all known and accepted democratic norms and principles. Second, never has Pakistan been so much in need for building public institutions as against giving way to shortsighted vested interest”.

“But, the debate is marred by the district management group (DMG)’s obsession with their past glory and a desire to take the country back to the 19th century, if not earlier. The simple issue is that, while the DMG are not so powerful anymore, they have a got a soft ear to play up the genuine concerns of the political leadership relating to law and order. The question is if the DMG was the solution, why did TNSM succeeded in Swat in the first place in 1990s or the institution of Political Agent, another beacon of hope for many DMG walas, failed us in FATA?”.

“The reality is that political elites need to understand that while public oversight of the police is absolutely necessary, they can not have a free hand in using trained cadres of armed men at their disposal to use against their opponents and as a tool to perpetuate the system of patronage. The elected nazims are a good way to articulate development policy priorities. The police, however, at best be kept independent and under a strict public oversight mechanism”.

• Overwhelming majority of the public does not subscribe to the view that “non-uniformed civilian state was missing”. This is based on careful review of public participation in the debate being conducted over media. Some studies will also be released shortly that point to the same fact.
• “Frittering away of provincial governments’ authority”? I thought we were discussing local government and its authority. We then probably should do away with provinces as well and just have federal government exercise its “authority” throughout the country.
• “Musharraf-Naqvi-Aziz production flopped at the local box office” just like Pakistan’s efforts to improve social services miserably failed at the hands of district administration towards the end of Social Action Program.
• As regards your point about intelligentsia and media supporting the launch and implementation of local democracy, why shouldn’t they support something that is good in principle? Let the elected government bring out a system that is in line with the democratic principles of local governance (representation and accountability) and you will see a lot of support for it as well.
• We certainly are an unfortunate polity as we will now pay for the half-baked, un-representative and certainly unaccountable bureaucracy put in-charge as administrators. We never learn, do we?
• If NRB was arrogant, is Punjab government being any different in introducing the changes and “reform”? Reform is a long term process but the process itself should be open, transparent and consultative. It should, at no point, loose sight of the objectives and basic principles like representation and accountability.

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