Comments on: Patriarchy and Caste System http://razarumi.com/2009/02/20/patriarchy-and-caste-system/ Just another WordPress site Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:58:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Macie Byer http://razarumi.com/2009/02/20/patriarchy-and-caste-system/#comment-37727 Macie Byer Tue, 17 Jan 2012 03:17:02 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1270#comment-37727 Thanks a lot for the post.Much thanks again. Fantastic. Thanks a lot for the post.Much thanks again. Fantastic.

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By: rajwinder http://razarumi.com/2009/02/20/patriarchy-and-caste-system/#comment-22672 rajwinder Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:39:38 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1270#comment-22672 its ok that god is love but you can not take it granted for this type of love mariages its ok that god is love but you can not take it granted for this type of love mariages

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By: dastagir http://razarumi.com/2009/02/20/patriarchy-and-caste-system/#comment-15901 dastagir Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:51:50 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1270#comment-15901 AAL IZ NAAT WELL. (All is NOT well). Evil does not recognise "geographical" boundaries., which are nothing but arrangements for purposes of governance and administration. With great regret and heavy heart., here is what happened TODAY 20 Feb 2010, in India. It pains, when evil doers get scot free be it in India or Pakistan. Are these nations "Free" when its poor suffer such indignition 24x7 ? quote : Dalit tortured for daring to wear slippers February 20, 2010, Dindigul, Tamil Nadu Even after 60 years of Independence, there still exists a side of India that is hard to believe. A Dalit man in Tamil Nadu was forced to eat human excreta because he wore slippers in the presence of upper caste people. "They said hereafter no one should come in wearing slippers. Arokiasamy told Anbu to put human excreta into my mouth. They hit me severely on my abdomen and shoved it into my mouth," said the victim Sadayandi. "Even men who come by cycle have to get down and push it into the village," said his wife Nagajothi. The police took more than a week to file the First Information Report (FIR) under the Prevention of Atrocities Act. And even after that, they were not willing to book the accused. Instead, they want the victim - who is in hiding because of fear - to prove that the crime occurred. "If this has happened he has to come forward to give some clues and explain about the incident. Only then I can go deep into this matter," said the Deputy Superintendent of Police. The Madras High Court has now asked for an action taken report. A few years ago, NDTV had exposed atrocities against Dalits in the state. In many areas they are forced to remove footwear before entering the village, walls deny them access, thorny fences greet them in fields they use as toilets. Even elected Panchayat leaders are forced to quit. Thanks to vote bank politics successive governments seem to have only gone soft on dominant communities. Politically, Dalits are a divided lot in Tamil Nadu. While the state pampers them with welfare schemes, its tacit support to human rights violations by powerful dominant communities is only making things worse. -- unquote -- Man ceases to respect man. Why ? Over-man-made suppositions. The Master-Slave mentality (as Neitsche says)... Bhadra-lok... (high-born)... versus the Malich (the dirty filthy low born). From where do such evil thoughts get sanction ? From evil social practices. There were times when SATI had social acceptance too. Such evil has to be condemned... irrespective of geography. Murder / rape / atrocities are deplorable... whether they occur in India or Pakistan. Jai Ho. AAL IZ NAAT WELL. (All is NOT well). Evil does not recognise “geographical” boundaries., which are nothing but arrangements for purposes of governance and administration. With great regret and heavy heart., here is what happened TODAY 20 Feb 2010, in India. It pains, when evil doers get scot free be it in India or Pakistan. Are these nations “Free” when its poor suffer such indignition 24×7 ?

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Dalit tortured for daring to wear slippers

February 20, 2010, Dindigul, Tamil Nadu

Even after 60 years of Independence, there still exists a side of India that is hard to believe. A Dalit man in Tamil Nadu was forced to eat human excreta because he wore slippers in the presence of upper caste people.

“They said hereafter no one should come in wearing slippers. Arokiasamy told Anbu to put human excreta into my mouth. They hit me severely on my abdomen and shoved it into my mouth,” said the victim Sadayandi.

“Even men who come by cycle have to get down and push it into the village,” said his wife Nagajothi.

The police took more than a week to file the First Information Report (FIR) under the Prevention of Atrocities Act. And even after that, they were not willing to book the accused. Instead, they want the victim – who is in hiding because of fear – to prove that the crime occurred.

“If this has happened he has to come forward to give some clues and explain about the incident. Only then I can go deep into this matter,” said the Deputy Superintendent of Police.

The Madras High Court has now asked for an action taken report.

A few years ago, NDTV had exposed atrocities against Dalits in the state. In many areas they are forced to remove footwear before entering the village, walls deny them access, thorny fences greet them in fields they use as toilets. Even elected Panchayat leaders are forced to quit. Thanks to vote bank politics successive governments seem to have only gone soft on dominant communities.

Politically, Dalits are a divided lot in Tamil Nadu. While the state pampers them with welfare schemes, its tacit support to human rights violations by powerful dominant communities is only making things worse.

– unquote –

Man ceases to respect man. Why ? Over-man-made suppositions. The Master-Slave mentality (as Neitsche says)… Bhadra-lok… (high-born)… versus the Malich (the dirty filthy low born). From where do such evil thoughts get sanction ?

From evil social practices. There were times when SATI had social acceptance too. Such evil has to be condemned… irrespective of geography.

Murder / rape / atrocities are deplorable… whether they occur in India or Pakistan. Jai Ho.

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By: Patriarchy and Caste System « Secular Pakistan http://razarumi.com/2009/02/20/patriarchy-and-caste-system/#comment-15797 Patriarchy and Caste System « Secular Pakistan Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:32:54 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1270#comment-15797 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] From Raza Rumi’s blog [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] From Raza Rumi’s blog [...]

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By: Vandana http://razarumi.com/2009/02/20/patriarchy-and-caste-system/#comment-9847 Vandana Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:25:30 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1270#comment-9847 It all boils down to freedom of choice.In any society there should exist freedom to choose 'love marriage'or an 'arranged one".It is the denial of that choice that has trapped many. In Indian cities, atleast, now slowly space is beginning to exist for both.It is by no means a tidal wave but surely a begining of sorts.I married 20 years ago,outside my caste with no melodrama or ostracism and my cousins all had arranged marriages within their castes at the same time.20 years later we all are happily married so it is hard to say what really contributes towards a satisfying and happy marriage. What the author has written about is ofcourse very true for the larger majority of rural (and sometimes even urban) India.Wonder how things are in Pakistan. It all boils down to freedom of choice.In any society there should exist freedom to choose ‘love marriage’or an ‘arranged one”.It is the denial of that choice that has trapped many.
In Indian cities, atleast, now slowly space is beginning to exist for both.It is by no means a tidal wave but surely a begining of sorts.I married 20 years ago,outside my caste with no melodrama or ostracism and my cousins all had arranged marriages within their castes at the same time.20 years later we all are happily married so it is hard to say what really contributes towards a satisfying and happy marriage.
What the author has written about is ofcourse very true for the larger majority of rural (and sometimes even urban) India.Wonder how things are in Pakistan.

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By: Sidhusaaheb http://razarumi.com/2009/02/20/patriarchy-and-caste-system/#comment-9840 Sidhusaaheb Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:19:26 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1270#comment-9840 I hate to play the devil's advocate, but the following may be of interest to the author. What does all marriages being based on 'love' and free choice lead a society to? Going by all that has been happening in countries where that is the case, the answer appears to include a 60-70% divorce rate, in addition to auxiliaries like a high teenage-pregnancy rate and problems related to the use of narcotics. I am not qualified enough to further elaborte on the impact in the manner that only psychiatrists, sociologists and other such professionals can. However, if I may use an anecdote, the 'free love' that is prevalent there appears to have been largely responsible for a 12-year old boy and a 15-year old girl having begotten a girl-child. Not that it ends there though, since 7 other boys in the same age bracket, with whom the 15-year old mother had physical relations at the same time that the child was conceived, have claimed paternity. Somehow, whenever any one claims that either the 'arranged' or 'love' route to marriage is superior than the other, I can not seem to agree completely. Perhaps there should be room for both, in a harmonious society. I hate to play the devil’s advocate, but the following may be of interest to the author.

What does all marriages being based on ‘love’ and free choice lead a society to? Going by all that has been happening in countries where that is the case, the answer appears to include a 60-70% divorce rate, in addition to auxiliaries like a high teenage-pregnancy rate and problems related to the use of narcotics. I am not qualified enough to further elaborte on the impact in the manner that only psychiatrists, sociologists and other such professionals can. However, if I may use an anecdote, the ‘free love’ that is prevalent there appears to have been largely responsible for a 12-year old boy and a 15-year old girl having begotten a girl-child. Not that it ends there though, since 7 other boys in the same age bracket, with whom the 15-year old mother had physical relations at the same time that the child was conceived, have claimed paternity.

Somehow, whenever any one claims that either the ‘arranged’ or ‘love’ route to marriage is superior than the other, I can not seem to agree completely. Perhaps there should be room for both, in a harmonious society.

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By: Awais http://razarumi.com/2009/02/20/patriarchy-and-caste-system/#comment-9831 Awais Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:04:00 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1270#comment-9831 A good one! I have always been amazed at the way our popular culture/media has kind of demonized love and marriage with the term "love marriage". Marriage is supposed to be an agreement between two consenting adults. One has to ponder how close "arranged marriages" are to this idea. I think its time that now arranged marriages should be demonized with an exclusive title while the term marriage be reserved for what it stands for. A good one!

I have always been amazed at the way our popular culture/media has kind of demonized love and marriage with the term “love marriage”.

Marriage is supposed to be an agreement between two consenting adults. One has to ponder how close “arranged marriages” are to this idea.

I think its time that now arranged marriages should be demonized with an exclusive title while the term marriage be reserved for what it stands for.

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