Comments on: Rumi on evolution http://razarumi.com/2009/02/19/rumi-on-evolution/ Just another WordPress site Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:58:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jalaluddin Rumi and Evolution | Pak Tea House http://razarumi.com/2009/02/19/rumi-on-evolution/#comment-24476 Jalaluddin Rumi and Evolution | Pak Tea House Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:49:41 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1274#comment-24476 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Read more here [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Read more here [...]

]]> By: Plurk.com http://razarumi.com/2009/02/19/rumi-on-evolution/#comment-11783 Plurk.com Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:19:10 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1274#comment-11783 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] kalo ga salah sampai Rumi pernah bikin puisi terkait dalil "evolusi" ybs. Sersan Bonta sila dibaca s.wordpress.com/wp-inclu... Prabu Timun ^ [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] kalo ga salah sampai Rumi pernah bikin puisi terkait dalil "evolusi" ybs. Sersan Bonta sila dibaca s.wordpress.com/wp-inclu… Prabu Timun ^ [...]

]]> By: ßench: 03/2009 - 04/2009 http://razarumi.com/2009/02/19/rumi-on-evolution/#comment-11103 ßench: 03/2009 - 04/2009 Tue, 26 May 2009 14:58:16 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1274#comment-11103 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] If to marrow wasn't such a long time.......... This week's Theme Thursday is "Vegetable" ..............EVOLUTION First of all he came into the inert world.From minerality he developed,into the realm of vegetation.For years he lived thus.Then he passed into an animal state,yet bereft of any memory of his being vegetable-except for his attraction to Spring and to blossoms.This was something like the innate desire of an infant for its mother's breast.Or like the affinity of disciples for an illustrious guide.When the shadow is no more, they know the cause of their attachment to the teacher...From realm to realm man went,reaching his present reasoning,knowledgeable,robust state;forgetting earlier forms of intelligence.So too shall he pass beyond the current form of perception.There are a thousand other forms of Mind.........But he has fallen asleep.He will say:"I had forgotten my fulfilment,ignorant that sleep and fancy were the cause of my sufferings"He says:"My sleeping experiences do not matter".Come,leave such asses to their meadow.Because of necessity,man acquires organs.So,necessitous one,increase your need.Jal?l ad-D?n Mu?ammad Rumihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumihttp://cyclewalabanda.blogspot.com/2009/03/hazrat-maulana-rumi-ra-and-evolution.htmlhttp://www.razarumi.com/2009/02/19/rumi-on-evolution/ Posted by tony 30 comments at 3/19/2009 Links to this post [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] If to marrow wasn’t such a long time………. This week’s Theme Thursday is “Vegetable” …………..EVOLUTION First of all he came into the inert world.From minerality he developed,into the realm of vegetation.For years he lived thus.Then he passed into an animal state,yet bereft of any memory of his being vegetable-except for his attraction to Spring and to blossoms.This was something like the innate desire of an infant for its mother’s breast.Or like the affinity of disciples for an illustrious guide.When the shadow is no more, they know the cause of their attachment to the teacher…From realm to realm man went,reaching his present reasoning,knowledgeable,robust state;forgetting earlier forms of intelligence.So too shall he pass beyond the current form of perception.There are a thousand other forms of Mind………But he has fallen asleep.He will say:”I had forgotten my fulfilment,ignorant that sleep and fancy were the cause of my sufferings”He says:”My sleeping experiences do not matter”.Come,leave such asses to their meadow.Because of necessity,man acquires organs.So,necessitous one,increase your need.Jal?l ad-D?n Mu?ammad Rumihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumihttp://cyclewalabanda.blogspot.com/2009/03/hazrat-maulana-rumi-ra-and-evolution.htmlhttp://www.razarumi.com/2009/02/19/rumi-on-evolution/ Posted by tony 30 comments at 3/19/2009 Links to this post [...]

]]> By: GreenSufi http://razarumi.com/2009/02/19/rumi-on-evolution/#comment-10001 GreenSufi Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:05:30 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1274#comment-10001 Also look at the dozens of verses where Rumi affirms the Creation ex nihilo of Adam PBUH, and reiterates the Qur'anic argument against the Divinity of Jesus PBUH, by comparing his birth without a father from Divine Decree [kun fa ya kun] with that of Adam, born without father or mother. Also look at the dozens of verses where Rumi affirms the Creation ex nihilo of Adam PBUH, and reiterates the Qur’anic argument against the Divinity of Jesus PBUH, by comparing his birth without a father from Divine Decree [kun fa ya kun] with that of Adam, born without father or mother.

]]> By: GreenSufi http://razarumi.com/2009/02/19/rumi-on-evolution/#comment-10000 GreenSufi Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:01:32 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1274#comment-10000 Raza bhai these verses are not on evolution. Isa sahib is merely providing his own context in a frivolous mis-reading of Sufism. These verses should be interpreted in the Sufi context. They rather refer to the Islamic order of Creation, jamadat, nabatat, haywanat, insan: the mineral, vegetable, animal and human worlds. Each world depends on the preceding for it's life, or survival. From the unenlightened point of view, the death of each [mineral or vegetable] seems an end, but actually they become the building blocks of a higher order of life. So we come to man, the pinnacle of creation, yet with the potential to be the lowest of the low [asfala safileen]. He too fears his death and clings to life. But if he "dies before death" and annhilates his Ego, man can transcend this Earthly life and achieve Nearness with God, the stations of Fana Fillah and Baqa Billah, which even the angels cannot aspire to. Raza bhai these verses are not on evolution. Isa sahib is merely providing his own context in a frivolous mis-reading of Sufism.

These verses should be interpreted in the Sufi context. They rather refer to the Islamic order of Creation, jamadat, nabatat, haywanat, insan: the mineral, vegetable, animal and human worlds. Each world depends on the preceding for it’s life, or survival. From the unenlightened point of view, the death of each [mineral or vegetable] seems an end, but actually they become the building blocks of a higher order of life. So we come to man, the pinnacle of creation, yet with the potential to be the lowest of the low [asfala safileen]. He too fears his death and clings to life. But if he “dies before death” and annhilates his Ego, man can transcend this Earthly life and achieve Nearness with God, the stations of Fana Fillah and Baqa Billah, which even the angels cannot aspire to.

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]]> By: Iris http://razarumi.com/2009/02/19/rumi-on-evolution/#comment-9876 Iris Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:48:03 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1274#comment-9876 Thanks for sharing! Thanks for sharing!

]]> By: ned http://razarumi.com/2009/02/19/rumi-on-evolution/#comment-9867 ned Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:45:52 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1274#comment-9867 Here is an interesting paper that describes the role of evolution in Rumi's metaphysics: http://www.religioperennis.org/documents/blacks/evolutionism.pdf Here is an interesting paper that describes the role of evolution in Rumi’s metaphysics:
http://www.religioperennis.org/documents/blacks/evolutionism.pdf

]]> By: Vandana http://razarumi.com/2009/02/19/rumi-on-evolution/#comment-9826 Vandana Fri, 20 Feb 2009 04:36:34 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1274#comment-9826 Can't really see the connection with evolution but his lines remain powerful as ever. The journey, in the spiritual sense that Rumi meant to portray, continues however.Merging into the divine,becoming one with the divine or finally coming into the stage of'nothingness' remain the leit motif of spiritual quests in present times too. Can’t really see the connection with evolution but his lines remain powerful as ever.
The journey, in the spiritual sense that Rumi meant to portray, continues however.Merging into the divine,becoming one with the divine or finally coming into the stage of’nothingness’ remain the leit motif of spiritual quests in present times too.

]]> By: Anwar http://razarumi.com/2009/02/19/rumi-on-evolution/#comment-9820 Anwar Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:00:05 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1274#comment-9820 Since Rumi writes in relativistic terms and also about the unseen in probabilistic manner, furthermore his followers spin on their longitudinal axis for some unknown reasons, are we to assume that he is the real father of quantum mechanics and theory of relatively? These are affine transformations. It is best to leave him buried where he is instead of dragging him in the evolution debate. Since Rumi writes in relativistic terms and also about the unseen in probabilistic manner, furthermore his followers spin on their longitudinal axis for some unknown reasons, are we to assume that he is the real father of quantum mechanics and theory of relatively? These are affine transformations. It is best to leave him buried where he is instead of dragging him in the evolution debate.

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