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By: Dastagir http://razarumi.com/2008/12/26/say-no-to-war/#comment-9003 Dastagir Sat, 27 Dec 2008 06:48:56 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1244#comment-9003 Bade ZARF ka muzahera kiya., Raza Rumi ne... In an exhausted, exasperated moment I had written 2 days back that India must conquer Pakistan and Bangladesh. It may have hurt a few friends... which is natural... as everyone has "self-respect". I understand the delicate nature of things... Raza Rumi is a liberal soul... and must have felt bad... but he pubilshed my comment verbatim without editing it. Musalmaan ke Lahoo mein Hai Saleeqa Dil-Nawaazi Kaa... Murawwat... Husn-e-alam-geer hai.. Mard`aan-e-Ghaazi Kaa ! (Iqbal) Do not look at what a leader "says". Look at what a leader "does". I think war is coming. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has met the 3 Service Chiefs... THRICE... during the past 1 month... all the while uttering "There will be no war... etc"... I think India is "preparing" for an offensive. This is an un-wanted, un-necessary war... An avoidable tragedy... but some vested interests will go ahead and execute it. 80 years of hatred injected by the RSS into the Indian Psyche is bearing fruits. BJP is polling 40% of the popular vote in India... and people say :"Well... It is a fringe element". How ? Fringe elements poll 40% of the vote ! Hunh ! Indians can prove their "Machismo" only against Muslims (inside India., for instance J&Kashmir... Maliana, Meerut; Aligarh., Moradabad., Bhagalpur., Mumbai 1992., Gujarat 2002., Malegaon., Nanded., Kanpur., etc.). Newly formed Hindu muscles (physical and financial) are flexing and there is a desire to "display" ! The Indian public is consistently fed hatred (24x7) Star TV (Murdoch achieved what Muslim Kings could not in 700 yrs !)., and Zee-TV are doing very dirty work. If war is imposed, where would it lead to ? My basic argument (not formed on the spur of the moment., a blast., or a riot) is that Pakistan and Bangladesh are not "real" nations. There is a "Nafrat ka Rishta" an EMBRACE OF HATRED. Not a day passes in India without cursing Pakistan, 24x7. India cannot live without hate for Pakitan (and vice-versa). What does this signify... it signifies one basic fact., that this separation is un-natural. Non-state actors (like LeT, Jaish etc in Pakistan) and Semi-State actors (like RSS/BJP; VHP; Durga Vahini; Bajrang Dal; ABVP; etc. have the ABILITY to push their respective societies into WAR. Narendra Modi said "every action leads to a re-action" ! The comic part is that the "action" (Godhra) was also executed by the RSS., and the "Re-action" (Genocide Gujarat 2002) was also executed by the same party ! So one party alone (RSS) is doing both the action and the re-action ! Internally, Pakistan is getting weak too. A war may solidify and bring diverse forces together and forge unity... but that would be temporary. After the war., they would fight again for "kursi" ! Will there be an Indo-Pak war every 20 or 30 years ! (to give vent to the muscles... and machismo ?). That is a very basic question. The worst-case scenario i see is.. that a war coming.. that will do extreme damage on both sides. If Pakistan goes., it will not just melt away silently. A re-drawing of the map would become inevitable. Pakistan could break into 4 states and a 5th state of Jammu & Kashmir will come into existence. It would be naive to imagine., that there would be a war., and if things are pushed beyond a "level" or red-line... and it leads to a nuclear holocaust... that one party would be a TOTAL WINNER and emerge un-scathed. There will be a price. J&K will have to be alienated. RSS wants exactly that. RSS and Savarkar are least interested in Hindus or Hinduism. They want power. Savarkar was a "sadist" and a mentally sick person... like the terrorists of LeT. Savarkarian mindset has conquered Indian hearts and minds (BJP has 40% popular vote.. i remind you again). Hinduism has become nothing but "hatred for Islam"., raping Muslim women, killing their men, occupying their proeprty, kiling their kids., stealing their utensils / TV and jewelry ! That is what Sadhvi Pragya is saying openly : Kya hame aapko ishaara dena padega... Nirmaan ke liye DHWASTA karna ani-vaarya hai ! (Do we have to give you a hint ? Destruction is vital for re-construction !). LeT and Jaish must be eliminated., along with their Madrasas. But along with them., RSS must be eliminated too., along with its 100,000 Saraswati Vidya Mandirs., its Shakhas., and its Terrorist Camps like the Bhonsle Military School, Nasik. Kasab the terrorist (whether he is from Pakistan or Indian State of Gujarat., whatever... ) must be hanged... but so must Babu Bajrangi... and DG Vanzara... You cant hang Kasab., while you award Bharat Ratna to Sadhvi Pragya and Param Vir Chakra to Lt. Col. Purohit. If that is done., then the Mahabharata will go no. Terrorist attacts will go on and on and on., even after the destruction of Pakistan. Only Good Governance., Social Justice., and Rule of Law can bring calm to a society... and that calm acts as a shock absorber... People should have FAITH in the SYSTEM... Once the faith in the system is gone (how can there be faith in the system that has cops like Vanzara., and politicians like Modi and leaders like Togadia and soldiers like Purohit ?)... people take justice in their own hands... Aggreived hearts look for death... India is the major player... the dominant party. It must introspect within., and save India from Hindutva. Otherwise its a free-fall. In the short-term there will be a victory... a destruction (Dhwasta kar dena)... etc... but peace will not reign in the land. For peace to reign : Social Justice and Rule of Law... Choose between RSS and the Idea of India. The 2 are incompatible. Bade ZARF ka muzahera kiya., Raza Rumi ne…

In an exhausted, exasperated moment I had written 2 days back that India must conquer Pakistan and Bangladesh. It may have hurt a few friends… which is natural… as everyone has “self-respect”. I understand the delicate nature of things… Raza Rumi is a liberal soul… and must have felt bad… but he pubilshed my comment verbatim without editing it.

Musalmaan ke Lahoo mein Hai Saleeqa Dil-Nawaazi Kaa…
Murawwat… Husn-e-alam-geer hai.. Mard`aan-e-Ghaazi Kaa !

(Iqbal)

Do not look at what a leader “says”. Look at what a leader “does”. I think war is coming. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has met the 3 Service Chiefs… THRICE… during the past 1 month… all the while uttering “There will be no war… etc”… I think India is “preparing” for an offensive.

This is an un-wanted, un-necessary war… An avoidable tragedy… but some vested interests will go ahead and execute it.

80 years of hatred injected by the RSS into the Indian Psyche is bearing fruits. BJP is polling 40% of the popular vote in India… and people say :”Well… It is a fringe element”. How ? Fringe elements poll 40% of the vote ! Hunh !

Indians can prove their “Machismo” only against Muslims (inside India., for instance J&Kashmir… Maliana, Meerut; Aligarh., Moradabad., Bhagalpur., Mumbai 1992., Gujarat 2002., Malegaon., Nanded., Kanpur., etc.). Newly formed Hindu muscles (physical and financial) are flexing and there is a desire to “display” !

The Indian public is consistently fed hatred (24×7) Star TV (Murdoch achieved what Muslim Kings could not in 700 yrs !)., and Zee-TV are doing very dirty work. If war is imposed, where would it lead to ?

My basic argument (not formed on the spur of the moment., a blast., or a riot) is that Pakistan and Bangladesh are not “real” nations. There is a “Nafrat ka Rishta” an EMBRACE OF HATRED. Not a day passes in India without cursing Pakistan, 24×7. India cannot live without hate for Pakitan (and vice-versa). What does this signify… it signifies one basic fact., that this separation is un-natural.

Non-state actors (like LeT, Jaish etc in Pakistan) and Semi-State actors (like RSS/BJP; VHP; Durga Vahini; Bajrang Dal; ABVP; etc. have the ABILITY to push their respective societies into WAR.

Narendra Modi said “every action leads to a re-action” ! The comic part is that the “action” (Godhra) was also executed by the RSS., and the “Re-action” (Genocide Gujarat 2002) was also executed by the same party ! So one party alone (RSS) is doing both the action and the re-action !

Internally, Pakistan is getting weak too. A war may solidify and bring diverse forces together and forge unity… but that would be temporary. After the war., they would fight again for “kursi” ! Will there be an Indo-Pak war every 20 or 30 years ! (to give vent to the muscles… and machismo ?). That is a very basic question.

The worst-case scenario i see is.. that a war coming.. that will do extreme damage on both sides. If Pakistan goes., it will not just melt away silently. A re-drawing of the map would become inevitable. Pakistan could break into 4 states and a 5th state of Jammu & Kashmir will come into existence. It would be naive to imagine., that there would be a war., and if things are pushed beyond a “level” or red-line… and it leads to a nuclear holocaust… that one party would be a TOTAL WINNER and emerge un-scathed. There will be a price. J&K will have to be alienated.

RSS wants exactly that. RSS and Savarkar are least interested in Hindus or Hinduism. They want power. Savarkar was a “sadist” and a mentally sick person… like the terrorists of LeT. Savarkarian mindset has conquered Indian hearts and minds (BJP has 40% popular vote.. i remind you again). Hinduism has become nothing but “hatred for Islam”., raping Muslim women, killing their men, occupying their proeprty, kiling their kids., stealing their utensils / TV and jewelry ! That is what Sadhvi Pragya is saying openly :

Kya hame aapko ishaara dena padega… Nirmaan ke liye DHWASTA karna ani-vaarya hai ! (Do we have to give you a hint ? Destruction is vital for re-construction !).

LeT and Jaish must be eliminated., along with their Madrasas. But along with them., RSS must be eliminated too., along with its 100,000 Saraswati Vidya Mandirs., its Shakhas., and its Terrorist Camps like the Bhonsle Military School, Nasik. Kasab the terrorist (whether he is from Pakistan or Indian State of Gujarat., whatever… ) must be hanged… but so must Babu Bajrangi… and DG Vanzara… You cant hang Kasab., while you award Bharat Ratna to Sadhvi Pragya and Param Vir Chakra to Lt. Col. Purohit. If that is done., then the Mahabharata will go no.

Terrorist attacts will go on and on and on., even after the destruction of Pakistan. Only Good Governance., Social Justice., and Rule of Law can bring calm to a society… and that calm acts as a shock absorber… People should have FAITH in the SYSTEM… Once the faith in the system is gone (how can there be faith in the system that has cops like Vanzara., and politicians like Modi and leaders like Togadia and soldiers like Purohit ?)… people take justice in their own hands… Aggreived hearts look for death…

India is the major player… the dominant party. It must introspect within., and save India from Hindutva. Otherwise its a free-fall. In the short-term there will be a victory… a destruction (Dhwasta kar dena)… etc… but peace will not reign in the land.

For peace to reign : Social Justice and Rule of Law… Choose between RSS and the Idea of India. The 2 are incompatible.

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By: milieu http://razarumi.com/2008/12/26/say-no-to-war/#comment-8995 milieu Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:47:37 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/?p=1244#comment-8995 Unfortunately, this Mumbai attack is a game changer and you are right that the common man on both sides do not want a war. But this time, if Indian Govt treats the situation as it has done before, it will be just like appeasing the Nazis. Many people (and I do not include the false messiahs of the downtrodden like Ms. Roy) both want good relations and peace but they cannot live like this anymore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmV07AleMPI I do not know if there will be war and I pray it does not take place but in so many years there has never been a time when I have felt that I am understanding the jingoism on this side of the border. Ordinary Indians do not care for people like Hamid Gul etc who spew venom nor for people like Narendra Modi on this side. Those are people who play politics. But that does not mean that they do not feel the strong anger (on the one hand it is directing inside but also outside) Unfortunately, this Mumbai attack is a game changer and you are right that the common man on both sides do not want a war. But this time, if Indian Govt treats the situation as it has done before, it will be just like appeasing the Nazis.
Many people (and I do not include the false messiahs of the downtrodden like Ms. Roy) both want good relations and peace but they cannot live like this anymore.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmV07AleMPI
I do not know if there will be war and I pray it does not take place but in so many years there has never been a time when I have felt that I am understanding the jingoism on this side of the border. Ordinary Indians do not care for people like Hamid Gul etc who spew venom nor for people like Narendra Modi on this side. Those are people who play politics. But that does not mean that they do not feel the strong anger (on the one hand it is directing inside but also outside)

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