Comments on: Pakistan Suicide Bombings: The narratives of ‘terror’ http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/21/pakistan-suicide-bombings-the-narratives-of-%e2%80%98terror%e2%80%99/ In search of the unsearchable: O, my soul! where would you find your house? Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:59:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Raj http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/21/pakistan-suicide-bombings-the-narratives-of-%e2%80%98terror%e2%80%99/#comment-4560 Raj Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:11:05 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/21/pakistan-suicide-bombings-the-narratives-of-%e2%80%98terror%e2%80%99/#comment-4560 Dear Dastgir every ideology is as old as humanity ..so these secessionist tendencies were always there in every society . Jinnah just exploited it . he has an option of exploiting or negating it , with his leadership . by the way Ramrajya is not a religious world .. its utopian concept of a happy society .. Gandhi made what India is today .. secular and free from any law of Blasphemy. may be you dont understand the differnce between the concept of dharma and concept of religion .. these are two different things .. dharma is based on ethics which is beyond religious narrowness .. your sense of history is full of rumours without any facts .. and where did you get this data that 1857 revolt was led by Muslims .. from Mangal Pandey to Jhansi ki rani to Tatya Tope to Bahadur shah Jafar .. every one contributed equaly .. and it was a struggle of indians ... Dear Dastgir
every ideology is as old as humanity ..so these secessionist tendencies were always there in every society . Jinnah just exploited it . he has an option of exploiting or negating it , with his leadership .
by the way Ramrajya is not a religious world .. its utopian concept of a happy society ..

Gandhi made what India is today .. secular and free from any law of Blasphemy. may be you dont understand the differnce between the concept of dharma and concept of religion .. these are two different things .. dharma is based on ethics which is beyond religious narrowness ..

your sense of history is full of rumours without any facts ..

and where did you get this data that 1857 revolt was led by Muslims .. from Mangal Pandey to Jhansi ki rani to Tatya Tope to Bahadur shah Jafar .. every one contributed equaly .. and it was a struggle of indians …

]]> By: Dastagir http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/21/pakistan-suicide-bombings-the-narratives-of-%e2%80%98terror%e2%80%99/#comment-4558 Dastagir Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:34:47 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/21/pakistan-suicide-bombings-the-narratives-of-%e2%80%98terror%e2%80%99/#comment-4558 Mister Raj... i am no apologist for Mr. Jinnah.. but please correct your facts ! i learn history from facts.. not advani, modi or togadia. Pakistan resolution was passed on 23 Mar 1940. Also please read Iqbal's Allahabad Address to the Muslim League (1928). Read minutely... Much before Iqbal and Jinnah., it was BHAI PARAMANAND (An Arya Samaj leader of United Punjab); LALA LAJPAT RAI., and VIR DAMODAR SAVARKAR who spoke of dividing India on communal lines... to get RID of Muslim majority areas... Please research on Bhai Paramanand, Lajpat Rai and Savarkar... cuz they realised they could never build the Hindu India of their dreams with such a huge muslim presence. So the process was set in motion. Please read Ayesha Jalal's FINE THESIS on Partition. There are loads of documents at the India Office Library, London... Do not learn History from cheap rags...(tabloids)... or hate-shops like RSS that manufacture history ! Of course, Jinnah responded... and fulfilled Savarkar's desire. The Partition of India was a mistake that was "avoidable"... but Jinnah "alone" is not responsible for partition. I can write pages.. but let me sum up. It is Gandhi who first spoke of a "Ram Rajya"... not once... but continuously for years ! It is Gandhi who introduced "religion" into Indian politics, making a dangerous cocktail. It is Gandhi who ignored Subhash Chandra Bose.. and who ignored Jinnah for 28 years... Gandhi built his leadership on the "Hindu-Vote-Bank" plank. So naturally, the other party would look for an alternate plank. More than Jinnah, it is Gandhiji and Sardar Vallabh-bhai Patel who are resopnsible for partition.... not to forget Pundit Jawaharlal Nehru. Out of the 3, Patel was the most powerful., cuz he remote-controlled Gandhiji. Communal elements on both sides of the spectrum were supported by the British (Madan Mohan Malaviya - who was an agent of the British bent on breaking Hindu-Muslim amity... had his counter-part in a few Muslim leaders too). Please compare the sacrifices made by the Muslim Maulanas.. vis-a-vis- Hindu Pundits. Infact, fact of the matter is... that the struggle for India's freedom was started by the Muslim Maulanas.... The British hated Muslims more than they hated the Hindus... cuz...1857 revolt was led by muslims (with hindu support)., but its muslim character (and losses in life/property) were dominant. Do you know that Hindu homes were left un-touched in Delhi post 1857 ? It is the bearded Maulanas who started the struggle for India's freedom..... how many hindus know about the contribution of Jamiat-al-Ulema-al-Hind.... and their sacrifices towards Indian freedom struggle ? Mister Raj… i am no apologist for Mr. Jinnah.. but please correct your facts ! i learn history from facts.. not advani, modi or togadia. Pakistan resolution was passed on 23 Mar 1940. Also please read Iqbal’s Allahabad Address to the Muslim League (1928). Read minutely… Much before Iqbal and Jinnah., it was BHAI PARAMANAND (An Arya Samaj leader of United Punjab); LALA LAJPAT RAI., and VIR DAMODAR SAVARKAR who spoke of dividing India on communal lines… to get RID of Muslim majority areas… Please research on Bhai Paramanand, Lajpat Rai and Savarkar… cuz they realised they could never build the Hindu India of their dreams with such a huge muslim presence. So the process was set in motion. Please read Ayesha Jalal’s FINE THESIS on Partition. There are loads of documents at the India Office Library, London… Do not learn History from cheap rags…(tabloids)… or hate-shops like RSS that manufacture history !

Of course, Jinnah responded… and fulfilled Savarkar’s desire. The Partition of India was a mistake that was “avoidable”… but Jinnah “alone” is not responsible for partition. I can write pages.. but let me sum up. It is Gandhi who first spoke of a “Ram Rajya”… not once… but continuously for years ! It is Gandhi who introduced “religion” into Indian politics, making a dangerous cocktail. It is Gandhi who ignored Subhash Chandra Bose.. and who ignored Jinnah for 28 years… Gandhi built his leadership on the “Hindu-Vote-Bank” plank. So naturally, the other party would look for an alternate plank. More than Jinnah, it is Gandhiji and Sardar Vallabh-bhai Patel who are resopnsible for partition…. not to forget Pundit Jawaharlal Nehru. Out of the 3, Patel was the most powerful., cuz he remote-controlled Gandhiji.

Communal elements on both sides of the spectrum were supported by the British (Madan Mohan Malaviya - who was an agent of the British bent on breaking Hindu-Muslim amity… had his counter-part in a few Muslim leaders too). Please compare the sacrifices made by the Muslim Maulanas.. vis-a-vis- Hindu Pundits.

Infact, fact of the matter is… that the struggle for India’s freedom was started by the Muslim Maulanas…. The British hated Muslims more than they hated the Hindus… cuz…1857 revolt was led by muslims (with hindu support)., but its muslim character (and losses in life/property) were dominant. Do you know that Hindu homes were left un-touched in Delhi post 1857 ? It is the bearded Maulanas who started the struggle for India’s freedom….. how many hindus know about the contribution of Jamiat-al-Ulema-al-Hind…. and their sacrifices towards Indian freedom struggle ?

]]> By: Raj http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/21/pakistan-suicide-bombings-the-narratives-of-%e2%80%98terror%e2%80%99/#comment-4557 Raj Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:47:50 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/21/pakistan-suicide-bombings-the-narratives-of-%e2%80%98terror%e2%80%99/#comment-4557 no its not poverty.. there are many poor countries and tribal areas across countries .. but they don't produce suicide bombers . most of these terrorists are educated people with good degrees .. so the next question is , then what is the motivation for these people ...? if your see modern history , there are many motivations for these acts, from Tamil suicide bombers fighting for self respect and freedom to Japanese pilots fighting in the name of National pride . but then these were localised and limited against a specific group and till a specific time period . however the Pakistani phenomenon is targeted against everyone . its an fundametalist ideology created by a religious group and its started with Jinnah ..where they were told that they cant live with other religious groups ... no its not poverty.. there are many poor countries and tribal areas across countries .. but they don’t produce suicide bombers . most of these terrorists are educated people with good degrees ..

so the next question is , then what is the motivation for these people …? if your see modern history , there are many motivations for these acts, from Tamil suicide bombers fighting for self respect and freedom to Japanese pilots fighting in the name of National pride . but then these were localised and limited against a specific group and till a specific time period . however the Pakistani phenomenon is targeted against everyone .

its an fundametalist ideology created by a religious group and its started with Jinnah ..where they were told that they cant live with other religious groups …

]]> By: Farida A http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/21/pakistan-suicide-bombings-the-narratives-of-%e2%80%98terror%e2%80%99/#comment-4556 Farida A Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:01:37 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/21/pakistan-suicide-bombings-the-narratives-of-%e2%80%98terror%e2%80%99/#comment-4556 Excellent article. We have just added it to www.musliminstitute.com Please visit us for this and more. Excellent article. We have just added it to http://www.musliminstitute.com Please visit us for this and more.

]]> By: Sidhusaaheb http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/21/pakistan-suicide-bombings-the-narratives-of-%e2%80%98terror%e2%80%99/#comment-4550 Sidhusaaheb Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:33:25 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/21/pakistan-suicide-bombings-the-narratives-of-%e2%80%98terror%e2%80%99/#comment-4550 The young men who crashed commercial airliners into the World Trade Center towers in New York on September 11, 2001 were rather well-educated and came from fairly affluent backgrounds. So, I am not sure if poverty and lack of opportunity are the root causes. To me it seems that whenever the government of a country breeds the Frankenstein's monster of insurgency in order to harm another nation and, thereby, to further its own 'strategic interests', the monster turns onto itself and the people of the country that it governs, when it seeks to jettison its former friends, the insurgents, at a later stage, on account of a change in circumstances. For instance, it is an open secret that Indira Gandhi's government recruited and trained the Tamil militants in Sri Lanka. Later on, when Rajiv Gandhi's government sent the Indian Peace Keeping Force to Sri Lanka to fight the LTTE, they not only turned against the Indian government but also carried out a suicide bomb attack to assassinate Rajiv. Osama Bin Laden and his cohorts were, it has been reported, at one point of time, allied with the US, but when the Americans turned against them, they carried out the 9/11 suicide attacks. Similarly, it appears more than likely that a fairly large percentage of suicide attacks in Pakistan are being carried out by friends-turned-foes of the Pakistani government, after it joined the US-led 'war on terror'. They do not seem to bother much about the 'collateral damage' in terms of civilian deaths, just like most other terrorist organisations around the world. The young men who crashed commercial airliners into the World Trade Center towers in New York on September 11, 2001 were rather well-educated and came from fairly affluent backgrounds. So, I am not sure if poverty and lack of opportunity are the root causes.

To me it seems that whenever the government of a country breeds the Frankenstein’s monster of insurgency in order to harm another nation and, thereby, to further its own ’strategic interests’, the monster turns onto itself and the people of the country that it governs, when it seeks to jettison its former friends, the insurgents, at a later stage, on account of a change in circumstances.

For instance, it is an open secret that Indira Gandhi’s government recruited and trained the Tamil militants in Sri Lanka. Later on, when Rajiv Gandhi’s government sent the Indian Peace Keeping Force to Sri Lanka to fight the LTTE, they not only turned against the Indian government but also carried out a suicide bomb attack to assassinate Rajiv.

Osama Bin Laden and his cohorts were, it has been reported, at one point of time, allied with the US, but when the Americans turned against them, they carried out the 9/11 suicide attacks.

Similarly, it appears more than likely that a fairly large percentage of suicide attacks in Pakistan are being carried out by friends-turned-foes of the Pakistani government, after it joined the US-led ‘war on terror’. They do not seem to bother much about the ‘collateral damage’ in terms of civilian deaths, just like most other terrorist organisations around the world.

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