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		<title>By: karl MARS</title>
		<link>http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/10/stop-demonising-china/#comment-4518</link>
		<dc:creator>karl MARS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 04:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its simply outrageous that people who write about FREEDOM of speech, Buddha scluptures(ruined by taleban) and human ethics support China in its brutal acts.

I would simply say THIS IS PLAIN HYPOCRISY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its simply outrageous that people who write about FREEDOM of speech, Buddha scluptures(ruined by taleban) and human ethics support China in its brutal acts.</p>
<p>I would simply say THIS IS PLAIN HYPOCRISY.</p>
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		<title>By: Vidrohi</title>
		<link>http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/10/stop-demonising-china/#comment-4493</link>
		<dc:creator>Vidrohi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing,

Ignoring your personal slanders, your theocratic system - which, in your view, gave the personal freedom to choose - was termed as the "Eastern Swastika", an ideal system of government - by the Hitler's German delegation that visited Tibet in the 1930's. You clearly have no idea of what Lama's theocracy entailed - physical bondage and slavery (watch an old Nat Geo documentary on YouTube).

Force was used because the Lamas resisted the nationalization of land which was controlled by them under the garb of monasteries (something that was done in Europe as well way back). Most of the ordinary Tibetans, who lived in chains before that, saw the Chinese as liberators. Moreover, the Lama's struggle was owned and supported by the CIA (Watch 'CIA in Tibet' at YouTube). Moreover, Tibet has always been a part of China since ancient times - it was only for a decade or two that it existed as seperate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing,</p>
<p>Ignoring your personal slanders, your theocratic system - which, in your view, gave the personal freedom to choose - was termed as the &#8220;Eastern Swastika&#8221;, an ideal system of government - by the Hitler&#8217;s German delegation that visited Tibet in the 1930&#8217;s. You clearly have no idea of what Lama&#8217;s theocracy entailed - physical bondage and slavery (watch an old Nat Geo documentary on YouTube).</p>
<p>Force was used because the Lamas resisted the nationalization of land which was controlled by them under the garb of monasteries (something that was done in Europe as well way back). Most of the ordinary Tibetans, who lived in chains before that, saw the Chinese as liberators. Moreover, the Lama&#8217;s struggle was owned and supported by the CIA (Watch &#8216;CIA in Tibet&#8217; at YouTube). Moreover, Tibet has always been a part of China since ancient times - it was only for a decade or two that it existed as seperate.</p>
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		<title>By: Raj</title>
		<link>http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/10/stop-demonising-china/#comment-4492</link>
		<dc:creator>Raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No i think Mr Vidrohi , Problem is  that you lost the sense of time .(please  dont hide behind this virtual world )
during that time  when CPC took  control of tibet with brute force ..
All these problems  of Infant mortality, low education and  others mentions by you were much more prevalent in your country China .
That  theocratic system is one of the most liberal system as  it  gives you the personal freedom to choose .
firstly you want to imitate the western foolishness of finding glory in organising Olympics and then you abuse them for their past . what a pathetic argument .

China  or any other country is  not seen in Chinese context  but in the universal context of human ethics . if  people start accpeting your pathetic argument of context then every act of  massacre  can be  justified by  giving context .. 
Hitler  justified  his brutality by context ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No i think Mr Vidrohi , Problem is  that you lost the sense of time .(please  dont hide behind this virtual world )<br />
during that time  when CPC took  control of tibet with brute force ..<br />
All these problems  of Infant mortality, low education and  others mentions by you were much more prevalent in your country China .<br />
That  theocratic system is one of the most liberal system as  it  gives you the personal freedom to choose .<br />
firstly you want to imitate the western foolishness of finding glory in organising Olympics and then you abuse them for their past . what a pathetic argument .</p>
<p>China  or any other country is  not seen in Chinese context  but in the universal context of human ethics . if  people start accpeting your pathetic argument of context then every act of  massacre  can be  justified by  giving context ..<br />
Hitler  justified  his brutality by context ..</p>
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		<title>By: Vidrohi</title>
		<link>http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/10/stop-demonising-china/#comment-4486</link>
		<dc:creator>Vidrohi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing must stand clear: China is the first third world country that is hosting the Olympics - I whole-heartedly support the shift. Let people go there and see what China has done in the last 50 years - why is Imperialism so scared about this?

Sidhusaaheb,

It's interesting you quoted the Tainamen square "massacre" here too. You know very well that the event was covered massively by the media (thus some powerful photographs). However, to my utter surprise, I have not been able to see one single video of killings. Also, you must be knowing that there was a Spanish media crew, amongst others, that said and continue to say that there were no killings. I wonder why!


Now, I don't say there are no problems with China. That being said, is there any third world country that is faring better than China? The problems of China are to be seen in the context of China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing must stand clear: China is the first third world country that is hosting the Olympics - I whole-heartedly support the shift. Let people go there and see what China has done in the last 50 years - why is Imperialism so scared about this?</p>
<p>Sidhusaaheb,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting you quoted the Tainamen square &#8220;massacre&#8221; here too. You know very well that the event was covered massively by the media (thus some powerful photographs). However, to my utter surprise, I have not been able to see one single video of killings. Also, you must be knowing that there was a Spanish media crew, amongst others, that said and continue to say that there were no killings. I wonder why!</p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t say there are no problems with China. That being said, is there any third world country that is faring better than China? The problems of China are to be seen in the context of China.</p>
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		<title>By: Vidrohi</title>
		<link>http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/10/stop-demonising-china/#comment-4485</link>
		<dc:creator>Vidrohi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a number of problems that are there with the arguments that have been presented.

1. There is an assumption that human rights are being violated in Tibet.

This is completely wrong (even if they are being violated, who can dream to support the theocratic feudal-slave regime of the Lamas?).


Before the CPC took power 95% of Tibetans could not
read or write.
Today on 4.8 percent of young and middle-aged adults
in Tibet are illiterate.
98.2 percent school-age children now have access to
primary education,
90.7 percent of children have access to middle school
education.
The government allocates 101 million U.S. dollars
annually to subsidize boarding schools in Tibet.


Infant mortality rate from 43 percent to 0.57 percent.
Smallpox, cholera and scarlet fever that were rampant
in the region have now been wiped out.
Overall life expectancy of Tibetans is 67 years,
almost double the figure in the 1950s, which was 35.5
years.

Tibetans are not stupid, they will not give all of
this up for the rampant corruption, poverty,
degradation, oppression and slavery that imperialism
brings in its wake.

Imperialism broke our country (India) into two parts, India and Pakistan. Imperialism broke Yugoslavia into 6 countries. Imperialism killed Lumumba, the great African leader. Imperialism killed Allende, the great Chilean leader and replaced him with a dictator Pinochet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a number of problems that are there with the arguments that have been presented.</p>
<p>1. There is an assumption that human rights are being violated in Tibet.</p>
<p>This is completely wrong (even if they are being violated, who can dream to support the theocratic feudal-slave regime of the Lamas?).</p>
<p>Before the CPC took power 95% of Tibetans could not<br />
read or write.<br />
Today on 4.8 percent of young and middle-aged adults<br />
in Tibet are illiterate.<br />
98.2 percent school-age children now have access to<br />
primary education,<br />
90.7 percent of children have access to middle school<br />
education.<br />
The government allocates 101 million U.S. dollars<br />
annually to subsidize boarding schools in Tibet.</p>
<p>Infant mortality rate from 43 percent to 0.57 percent.<br />
Smallpox, cholera and scarlet fever that were rampant<br />
in the region have now been wiped out.<br />
Overall life expectancy of Tibetans is 67 years,<br />
almost double the figure in the 1950s, which was 35.5<br />
years.</p>
<p>Tibetans are not stupid, they will not give all of<br />
this up for the rampant corruption, poverty,<br />
degradation, oppression and slavery that imperialism<br />
brings in its wake.</p>
<p>Imperialism broke our country (India) into two parts, India and Pakistan. Imperialism broke Yugoslavia into 6 countries. Imperialism killed Lumumba, the great African leader. Imperialism killed Allende, the great Chilean leader and replaced him with a dictator Pinochet.</p>
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		<title>By: Raj</title>
		<link>http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/10/stop-demonising-china/#comment-4482</link>
		<dc:creator>Raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Raza
 This  whole argument of development as  an excuse  for human  rights  violation is  very kiddish . Economic  development is  happening  everywhere  it is  happening in  India.  and in Taiwan too  but  not  as an excuse of brutality .

Now  lets  see your  argument "China has done it without the prescriptions of the West "

China is  achieved this  development by  not only  imitating  the western  capitalism but  even at the cost of  its own people . Big  American or western multinational  are using Chinese Population as  Slave    for their  cheap  manufacturing   because  I have seen my self  the  kind of  facility , working condition and Meagre salary they  all get ( to  keep the cost Low) and  they dont have rights to fight for their  rights .
and  guess who is  acting  as dog  to  guard and  exploit  this  population .. its  own government .

and why do they  do  this ..  so that they dont have time to think and  fight  for  their  fundamental rights . Lollypop  for  slavery .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Raza<br />
 This  whole argument of development as  an excuse  for human  rights  violation is  very kiddish . Economic  development is  happening  everywhere  it is  happening in  India.  and in Taiwan too  but  not  as an excuse of brutality .</p>
<p>Now  lets  see your  argument &#8220;China has done it without the prescriptions of the West &#8221;</p>
<p>China is  achieved this  development by  not only  imitating  the western  capitalism but  even at the cost of  its own people . Big  American or western multinational  are using Chinese Population as  Slave    for their  cheap  manufacturing   because  I have seen my self  the  kind of  facility , working condition and Meagre salary they  all get ( to  keep the cost Low) and  they dont have rights to fight for their  rights .<br />
and  guess who is  acting  as dog  to  guard and  exploit  this  population .. its  own government .</p>
<p>and why do they  do  this ..  so that they dont have time to think and  fight  for  their  fundamental rights . Lollypop  for  slavery .</p>
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		<title>By: RR</title>
		<link>http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/10/stop-demonising-china/#comment-4481</link>
		<dc:creator>RR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just posted the piece by a US academic on the genocide argument. Technically it is not recognised as one but practically, the way a group and a community is being targeted means that it is close to a genocide</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted the piece by a US academic on the genocide argument. Technically it is not recognised as one but practically, the way a group and a community is being targeted means that it is close to a genocide</p>
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		<title>By: RR</title>
		<link>http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/10/stop-demonising-china/#comment-4478</link>
		<dc:creator>RR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raj and Sidhu
Many thanks for the comments.. I appreciate and respect your views on China and I am no apologist for China - however, let me tell you that I have been to China a couple of times and spoken to several people and also witnessed how even in the small towns there is explosion of economic activity and what is known as 'progress'- China has done it without the prescriptions of the West - and there is a general consensus even by its detractors that poverty has reduced and there is no 'absolute' poverty as we know..

About its human rights abuses - well that is a tricky area and I tend to agree with you both. Having said that those who are pointing their fingers have no respect for law, rights and humans for if that were the case they would not kill or contribute to the deaths of 1 million plus innocent civilians ....

About Afghanistan, let me post something now...
cheers
Raza</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raj and Sidhu<br />
Many thanks for the comments.. I appreciate and respect your views on China and I am no apologist for China - however, let me tell you that I have been to China a couple of times and spoken to several people and also witnessed how even in the small towns there is explosion of economic activity and what is known as &#8216;progress&#8217;- China has done it without the prescriptions of the West - and there is a general consensus even by its detractors that poverty has reduced and there is no &#8216;absolute&#8217; poverty as we know..</p>
<p>About its human rights abuses - well that is a tricky area and I tend to agree with you both. Having said that those who are pointing their fingers have no respect for law, rights and humans for if that were the case they would not kill or contribute to the deaths of 1 million plus innocent civilians &#8230;.</p>
<p>About Afghanistan, let me post something now&#8230;<br />
cheers<br />
Raza</p>
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		<title>By: Sidhusaaheb</title>
		<link>http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/10/stop-demonising-china/#comment-4476</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidhusaaheb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er...Carpet-bombing of civilian areas, merely on account of suspicion of Taliban presence, does come close to genocide, actually, I'd say. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er&#8230;Carpet-bombing of civilian areas, merely on account of suspicion of Taliban presence, does come close to genocide, actually, I&#8217;d say. <img src='http://www.razarumi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Raj</title>
		<link>http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/10/stop-demonising-china/#comment-4471</link>
		<dc:creator>Raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So its a request  Please  stop  justifying  a regime which believes in humiliation of  human freedom and  dignity . and  most important stop  being  racist by criticizing west  just because they are "West " .
Every  one has  done  mistakes including  you and me ..  but  we all learn and  reform  .. 
judge ppl  by their present  behavior .

"genocide of sorts underway in Afghanistan"      you  cant be serious ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So its a request  Please  stop  justifying  a regime which believes in humiliation of  human freedom and  dignity . and  most important stop  being  racist by criticizing west  just because they are &#8220;West &#8221; .<br />
Every  one has  done  mistakes including  you and me ..  but  we all learn and  reform  ..<br />
judge ppl  by their present  behavior .</p>
<p>&#8220;genocide of sorts underway in Afghanistan&#8221;      you  cant be serious ???</p>
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