Comments on: The sad reality of Indo-Pak relations http://razarumi.com/2008/04/03/the-sad-reality-of-indo-pak-relations/ Just another WordPress site Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:58:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Kaul Ashok bhu http://razarumi.com/2008/04/03/the-sad-reality-of-indo-pak-relations/#comment-12312 Kaul Ashok bhu Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:36:50 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/03/the-sad-reality-of-indo-pak-relations/#comment-12312 It is not easy to bring back the estranged cousins.it is not property dispute that creates a gulf.It is accepting the common cherished values.That is historical proces through which consensus culture did emerge,like Bhakti Movement, common peasantry universe, Hindustani Music, common poetry, common pligrimages etc.etc.Kashmir or no Kahmir is nether disese nor cure.It is the fragile nationalism that does not strike its roots in Pakistan.Cultural fragmentation is no substance for nationalism.neither pure is any thing viable, pure culture or pure religion or pure joy.It has to be common culture and common joy. which has to define its content fornationalism after partitin. It is not easy to bring back the estranged cousins.it is not property dispute that creates a gulf.It is accepting the common cherished values.That is historical proces through which consensus culture did emerge,like Bhakti Movement, common peasantry universe, Hindustani Music, common poetry, common pligrimages etc.etc.Kashmir or no Kahmir is nether disese nor cure.It is the fragile nationalism that does not strike its roots in Pakistan.Cultural fragmentation is no substance for nationalism.neither pure is any thing viable, pure culture or pure religion or pure joy.It has to be common culture and common joy. which has to define its content fornationalism after partitin.

]]> By: Yogesh Nathawad, Vancouver, BC Canada http://razarumi.com/2008/04/03/the-sad-reality-of-indo-pak-relations/#comment-6191 Yogesh Nathawad, Vancouver, BC Canada Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:34:45 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/03/the-sad-reality-of-indo-pak-relations/#comment-6191 The main conflict is Kashmir. Once that is resolved, the rest will be the mending of the hearts of the people. Just like the courts would rule for the custody of the child, in the child's best interest, the cuistody may be worked out with minimum or no conditions attached. Ask the people of each parts of Kashmir and proceed to resolve appropriately and accept the recommendations of the mediator. You may say, easier said than done ! But if we do not put the efforts, the conflict will keep on taking the tolls of many lives and millions of dollars of expense each year. The same money may be well spent for the welfare of the people. The people, being neighbours will slowly then mingle. Look at the example of the cricket team relations and cricket cup management by Indo-Pak Combine Efforts. There should be more of exchange students, visiting scholars in universities, arts and cultural exchange program, philosophical lectures, participation of each other's religious celebrations etc. The India Clubs and Pak Clubs are in almost all major cities in the world and I would urge that they promote such mingling in places away from home and bring the herats of these countries closer I do believe that the problem need to be resolved quick in one shot! Slow pace solutions will go back and forth and have minimal chances of good progress as has been evident by the history of the Kashmir conflict. God bless the brothers and sisters of India and Pakistan ................Yogesh Nathawad The main conflict is Kashmir. Once that is resolved, the rest will be the mending of the hearts of the people. Just like the courts would rule for the custody of the child, in the child’s best interest, the cuistody may be worked out with minimum or no conditions attached. Ask the people of each parts of Kashmir and proceed to resolve appropriately and accept the recommendations of the mediator. You may say, easier said than done ! But if we do not put the efforts, the conflict will keep on taking the tolls of many lives and millions of dollars of expense each year. The same money may be well spent for the welfare of the people.
The people, being neighbours will slowly then mingle. Look at the example of the cricket team relations and cricket cup management by Indo-Pak Combine Efforts. There should be more of exchange students, visiting scholars in universities, arts and cultural exchange program, philosophical lectures, participation of each other’s religious celebrations etc. The India Clubs and Pak Clubs are in almost all major cities in the world and I would urge that they promote such mingling in places away from home and bring the herats of these countries closer
I do believe that the problem need to be resolved quick in one shot! Slow pace solutions will go back and forth and have minimal chances of good progress as has been evident by the history of the Kashmir conflict.
God bless the brothers and sisters of India and Pakistan …………….Yogesh Nathawad

]]> By: Sidhusaaheb http://razarumi.com/2008/04/03/the-sad-reality-of-indo-pak-relations/#comment-4417 Sidhusaaheb Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:49:07 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/03/the-sad-reality-of-indo-pak-relations/#comment-4417 The hate-shops thrive because their services sell. My point is that when it becomes clear to a sizeable number of people in both countries that peace between India and Pakistan can provide <i>rozi-roti</i>, or, rather, when a sizeable number of people become dependent for their <i>rozi-roti</i> on lasting peace between India and Pakistan, the demand for the services of the hate-shops is more than likely to diminish. The hate-shops thrive because their services sell.

My point is that when it becomes clear to a sizeable number of people in both countries that peace between India and Pakistan can provide rozi-roti, or, rather, when a sizeable number of people become dependent for their rozi-roti on lasting peace between India and Pakistan, the demand for the services of the hate-shops is more than likely to diminish.

]]> By: Dastagir http://razarumi.com/2008/04/03/the-sad-reality-of-indo-pak-relations/#comment-4405 Dastagir Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:01:56 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/03/the-sad-reality-of-indo-pak-relations/#comment-4405 Sidhu : Hate between India + Pakistan is a 25 Billion Dollar Business ! If you have peace... that much of business is lost ! I am sure you read the story of 2 cats (with a loaf of bread) and the monkey... A wedge was driven between the 2 communities... (Hindu Pani v/s. Musalman Pani... Malich... Shuddhi-Sangathan... .. leading to Tabligh-Tanzim.. etc.). There is a history. Lala Lajpat Rai, Bhai Paramanand and V.D. Savarkar were the first exponents of the 2-nation theory... they wanted to get RID of muslim-majority areas ! Each wanted to grow according to his own civilisational lights ! Now the "Un-Requitted Desire" of both parties/communities/nations has been fulfilled. Islam is glowing as ever... Hinduism is glowing as ever. There never was any threat. The issue was political. The issue was %.... the issue was top-jobs... and thats it. Now we have entered a stage where JOBS are not the only spoils of the State ! A new look is needed... but this will be detrimental to estabilshed Hate Shops like RSS and the Mullah. They are afraid of the feeble plant of LOVE... cuz they thrive on Hate. Sidhu : Hate between India + Pakistan is a 25 Billion Dollar Business ! If you have peace… that much of business is lost ! I am sure you read the story of 2 cats (with a loaf of bread) and the monkey… A wedge was driven between the 2 communities… (Hindu Pani v/s. Musalman Pani… Malich… Shuddhi-Sangathan… .. leading to Tabligh-Tanzim.. etc.). There is a history. Lala Lajpat Rai, Bhai Paramanand and V.D. Savarkar were the first exponents of the 2-nation theory… they wanted to get RID of muslim-majority areas ! Each wanted to grow according to his own civilisational lights ! Now the “Un-Requitted Desire” of both parties/communities/nations has been fulfilled. Islam is glowing as ever… Hinduism is glowing as ever. There never was any threat. The issue was political. The issue was %…. the issue was top-jobs… and thats it. Now we have entered a stage where JOBS are not the only spoils of the State ! A new look is needed… but this will be detrimental to estabilshed Hate Shops like RSS and the Mullah. They are afraid of the feeble plant of LOVE… cuz they thrive on Hate.

]]> By: Sidhusaaheb http://razarumi.com/2008/04/03/the-sad-reality-of-indo-pak-relations/#comment-4388 Sidhusaaheb Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:05:54 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/04/03/the-sad-reality-of-indo-pak-relations/#comment-4388 It was very heartening to read Mr. Zardari's statement at http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Foreign_Trade/India_Pakistan_should_focus_on_trade_ties_Asif_Ali_Zardari/articleshow/2829122.cms I agree with Mr. Zardari that both countries should work on giving trade ties a boost. As it is, there already exists a considerable volume of trade routed indirectly through places like Dubai and Singapore and the lifting of restrictions by both governments should provide a fillip to newer transactions as well. Bilateral trade, when the figures go past a few billion dollars, can be a major source of motivation for the politicians of both countries to work hard at solving all political issues at the earliest possible, I believe, besides building up strong public opinion in that direction. It was very heartening to read Mr. Zardari’s statement at http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Foreign_Trade/India_Pakistan_should_focus_on_trade_ties_Asif_Ali_Zardari/articleshow/2829122.cms

I agree with Mr. Zardari that both countries should work on giving trade ties a boost. As it is, there already exists a considerable volume of trade routed indirectly through places like Dubai and Singapore and the lifting of restrictions by both governments should provide a fillip to newer transactions as well.

Bilateral trade, when the figures go past a few billion dollars, can be a major source of motivation for the politicians of both countries to work hard at solving all political issues at the earliest possible, I believe, besides building up strong public opinion in that direction.

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