Comments on: My travels to Delhi http://razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/ Just another WordPress site Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:58:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Oscommerce http://razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-20326 Oscommerce Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:06:12 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-20326 Really nice blog. Brought back memories of my time in Delhi. Love Delhi! Really nice blog. Brought back memories of my time in Delhi. Love Delhi!

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By: Ammar Ali Qureshi http://razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-13074 Ammar Ali Qureshi Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:11:56 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-13074 Dear Usman Nadeem, I am sorry I do not have any relation to the late Peer Nawab Ali Qureshi- I do not even known about him. My father's maternal uncle was named Nawab Ali Qureshi but he was not a peer but in fact retired as IG Prisons Punjab during British time before partition and I do not think you are referring to that person. Dear Usman Nadeem,

I am sorry I do not have any relation to the late Peer Nawab Ali Qureshi- I do not even known about him. My father’s maternal uncle was named Nawab Ali Qureshi but he was not a peer but in fact retired as IG Prisons Punjab during British time before partition and I do not think you are referring to that person.

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By: usman nadeem http://razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-12183 usman nadeem Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:56:40 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-12183 hi i have a question for Ammar Ali Qureshi are u by any chance related to late peer nawab ali qureshi ???? if u are can u please reply me back on mail this is because i am having a hard time finding my ancestors and iam very curious my email id is haveitorleaveit@hotmail.com hi i have a question for Ammar Ali Qureshi are u by any chance related to late peer nawab ali qureshi ???? if u are can u please reply me back on mail this is because i am having a hard time finding my ancestors and iam very curious my email id is haveitorleaveit@hotmail.com

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By: ::: Quotable Quotes ::: http://razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-9757 ::: Quotable Quotes ::: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:58:33 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-9757 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] "It is this reclaiming of my pre-Pakistan, Muslim and syncretic history that makes Delhi an enchanting place for me. Each time I am there, I connect with the larger subcontinental canvas that exists beyond the accepted and myopic definitions of identity. This is why I am never bored in Delhi; as many Delhi wallahs can never bore of the charms of Pakistan." ~ Raza Rumi, My travels to Delhi full article here [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] "It is this reclaiming of my pre-Pakistan, Muslim and syncretic history that makes Delhi an enchanting place for me. Each time I am there, I connect with the larger subcontinental canvas that exists beyond the accepted and myopic definitions of identity. This is why I am never bored in Delhi; as many Delhi wallahs can never bore of the charms of Pakistan." ~ Raza Rumi, My travels to Delhi full article here [...]

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By: Kruman http://razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-5153 Kruman Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:51:35 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-5153 Great post! My only complaint is that you didn't post enough pics;) Great post! My only complaint is that you didn’t post enough pics;)

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By: My travels to Delhi « Delhi Days http://razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-5131 My travels to Delhi « Delhi Days Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:33:38 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-5131 [...] June 25, 2008 · No Comments My travels to Delhi [...] [...] June 25, 2008 · No Comments My travels to Delhi [...]

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By: Sidhusaaheb http://razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4622 Sidhusaaheb Mon, 05 May 2008 09:46:05 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4622 Here's another rather delectable take at Delhi... http://www.radioreloaded.com/tracks/?975 :P Here’s another rather delectable take at Delhi… http://www.radioreloaded.com/tracks/?975 :P

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By: Dastagir http://razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4439 Dastagir Tue, 08 Apr 2008 06:05:00 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4439 Mushirul Hasan is a "Gem". He is a great asset to the community. May Allah bestow health and happiness on him. i have read his books... what scholarship.. Subhan Allah. Thanks for trying... and God bless. Mushirul Hasan is a “Gem”. He is a great asset to the community. May Allah bestow health and happiness on him. i have read his books… what scholarship.. Subhan Allah.

Thanks for trying… and God bless.

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By: Ammar Ali Qureshi http://razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4416 Ammar Ali Qureshi Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:46:30 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4416 Dastagir- I tried finding it on the internet... but could not... however,Maulana Jauhar's autobiography "My Life- A fragment " carries a chapter with that title- Choice of the Turks- the book apparently was edited by former Pakistani diplomat Dr. Afzal Iqbal- who has written a celebrated book on life and works of Rumi. Recently a new edition of Maulana Mohamamd Ali's has been published which has an introduction by famous Indian historian- Mushir-ul-Hasan. Please follow the link http://www.lib.virginia.edu/area-studies/SouthAsia/Ideas/lika/cover.html Dastagir- I tried finding it on the internet… but could not… however,Maulana Jauhar’s autobiography “My Life- A fragment ” carries a chapter with that title- Choice of the Turks- the book apparently was edited by former Pakistani diplomat Dr. Afzal Iqbal- who has written a celebrated book on life and works of Rumi. Recently a new edition of Maulana Mohamamd Ali’s has been published which has an introduction by famous Indian historian- Mushir-ul-Hasan.

Please follow the link

http://www.lib.virginia.edu/area-studies/SouthAsia/Ideas/lika/cover.html

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By: Dastagir http://razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4323 Dastagir Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:28:23 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4323 Errata : The essay is titled "CHOICE of the Turks"... by Maulana Mohammed Ali Jauhar... I couldnt find that essay... If you happen to find it, pls email same to me. God bless ! Errata : The essay is titled “CHOICE of the Turks”… by Maulana Mohammed Ali Jauhar… I couldnt find that essay… If you happen to find it, pls email same to me. God bless !

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By: Dastagir http://razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4322 Dastagir Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:26:35 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4322 Sarojini's one-liner : "Hyderabad and Lucknow represent THE Essence of Islamic Culture". Its a very deep line... She has used the word "Islamic Culture"... which has deep connotations. I would dilute or simplify it and say... "Indo-Muslim Culture".. i like that term because Harvard University applies it. Well Ammar.... i read your post with interest... and you are right. This jhagda of who "Ahl-e-Zubaan" is.. has psychological roots. it would need me 2-3 pages to fill.. to comment. I do not claim to be an expert ! My knowledge is very limited...I am an ordinary guy (infact, less than ordinary !). This is not modesty - its the truth. But i would want to say what i wish to. My insight : After loss (erosion) of political power and the perks appended thereto, the EGO needs a staff to lean on ! UP had been the major "Theatre" in the struggle for Independence (Indo/Pak/Bangla). The Muslims as a community were consolidated on the basis of : (1) Religion and (2) Language... In the former, there were fissures and sectarian fights ... and in language too... it displayed the similar trait. Why ? I was speaking to a family elder who is a scholar. we were talking about the sectarian fights (sunni/shia/etc). He told me... we would have fought ANYWAY.. if not on this,. on some other issue ! Man's inherent nature is to seek differences and fight over THEM. Hence "Ahl-e-zubaan".. my urdu us gr8.. yours is not... i am the "inheritor" of a heritage... you are not... ultimately the root cause is : "Love for one-self"... or "Holier-than-thou mindset". Why do we fight so much.... Why is there so much "Jhagda". The whole of the indian sub-continent (indo-pak-bangla) is about 30% of Australia (in area). The whole of the so-called muslim-countries (combined)., are smaller than Australia + Canada (in area).. Why so many Jhagdas then ? Reason : Too many people - too little resources.. leading to cut-throat competition for survival.. and hence animal instincts take over and civility is thrown out of the window. The beast is aroused when the belly is empty. So the bottom-line is to go to the grass-roots. The Punjabi fellas Iqbal,Faiz ; the UP walla Bhaiyya [Afridi Pathan Josh] ; the Hyderabadi (AP) Bahadur Yar Jung (orator)... and the Bengali (Kolkata) Abulkalam Azad... were masters at Urdu Poetry, Speech and Writing (respectively).. There is a long list of names., but im at work..so i wanna wrap up the argument with minimum names. So.. while i love the "Mehrab" (Baghdadi Arch); the "Taaq-chaas" in the walls ; the earthen Suraahi... the Chilman... the Huge havelis... (that we could not maintain.. the typical "Asset-rich Cash-poor syndrome")... The dress... the Sherwani.. The Gharara... The Khada-Dupatta... The Jewelry... The incence.. The Food.. The Literature.. The language.. and the CAPSULE of it all.. The Culture. Culture that led to the making of a personality. That personality reflected a CHARACTER. Character was the End Result. Language (Urdu) and Architecture (Mihrab) are SYMBOLIC things... But symbols are important... cuz they are VISIBLE signs. Yeh sab cheezen ek shaqsiyyat ko banaati hain.. aur us se CHARACTER (Kirdaar) emanate hota hai. Nation-building ke liye.. Language aur culture kee zaroorat hai. Aur saath mein ECONOMIC muscle bhee ho. I love Urdu from The Master "Daagh" right upto Ghalib via Sadat Hasan Manto and Ainie Haider.. It binds us... We mock at each other's accents... and FIGHT more with each other FOR the simple reason that we cannot fight SOMEONE else. So we take our anger on each other ! Yeh ek majboori hai.. jo zavaal kee soorat mein aa jaati hai.. Qaum`on (aqwaam) ke andar. Qissa taweel ho gaya.. and i lost in the forest of thoughts.. Vision blurred ho gaya. Grass roots kaam hona chaahiye. We need Rich People like Warren Buffett (and not the Sheikhs of Dubai)... and good governance in our societies. Individually we cannot do anything. (In the 56 so-called muslim countries., 98% of them live in dictatorships ... under the American Viceroy). Qissa taweel ho gaya. Maulana Mohammed Ali's essay : Fight for the Turks... read it... and if you find it.. email it to me.. I wanna read it too. Sarojini’s one-liner : “Hyderabad and Lucknow represent THE Essence of Islamic Culture”. Its a very deep line… She has used the word “Islamic Culture”… which has deep connotations. I would dilute or simplify it and say… “Indo-Muslim Culture”.. i like that term because Harvard University applies it.

Well Ammar…. i read your post with interest… and you are right. This jhagda of who “Ahl-e-Zubaan” is.. has psychological roots. it would need me 2-3 pages to fill.. to comment. I do not claim to be an expert ! My knowledge is very limited…I am an ordinary guy (infact, less than ordinary !). This is not modesty – its the truth. But i would want to say what i wish to.

My insight : After loss (erosion) of political power and the perks appended thereto, the EGO needs a staff to lean on ! UP had been the major “Theatre” in the struggle for Independence (Indo/Pak/Bangla). The Muslims as a community were consolidated on the basis of : (1) Religion and (2) Language… In the former, there were fissures and sectarian fights … and in language too… it displayed the similar trait. Why ?

I was speaking to a family elder who is a scholar. we were talking about the sectarian fights (sunni/shia/etc). He told me… we would have fought ANYWAY.. if not on this,. on some other issue ! Man’s inherent nature is to seek differences and fight over THEM. Hence “Ahl-e-zubaan”.. my urdu us gr8.. yours is not… i am the “inheritor” of a heritage… you are not… ultimately the root cause is : “Love for one-self”… or “Holier-than-thou mindset”. Why do we fight so much…. Why is there so much “Jhagda”. The whole of the indian sub-continent (indo-pak-bangla) is about 30% of Australia (in area). The whole of the so-called muslim-countries (combined)., are smaller than Australia + Canada (in area).. Why so many Jhagdas then ?

Reason : Too many people – too little resources.. leading to cut-throat competition for survival.. and hence animal instincts take over and civility is thrown out of the window. The beast is aroused when the belly is empty.

So the bottom-line is to go to the grass-roots. The Punjabi fellas Iqbal,Faiz ; the UP walla Bhaiyya [Afridi Pathan Josh] ; the Hyderabadi (AP) Bahadur Yar Jung (orator)… and the Bengali (Kolkata) Abulkalam Azad… were masters at Urdu Poetry, Speech and Writing (respectively).. There is a long list of names., but im at work..so i wanna wrap up the argument with minimum names.

So.. while i love the “Mehrab” (Baghdadi Arch); the “Taaq-chaas” in the walls ; the earthen Suraahi… the Chilman… the Huge havelis… (that we could not maintain.. the typical “Asset-rich Cash-poor syndrome”)… The dress… the Sherwani.. The Gharara… The Khada-Dupatta… The Jewelry… The incence.. The Food.. The Literature.. The language.. and the CAPSULE of it all.. The Culture.

Culture that led to the making of a personality. That personality reflected a CHARACTER. Character was the End Result. Language (Urdu) and Architecture (Mihrab) are SYMBOLIC things… But symbols are important… cuz they are VISIBLE signs. Yeh sab cheezen ek shaqsiyyat ko banaati hain.. aur us se CHARACTER (Kirdaar) emanate hota hai.

Nation-building ke liye.. Language aur culture kee zaroorat hai. Aur saath mein ECONOMIC muscle bhee ho. I love Urdu from The Master “Daagh” right upto Ghalib via Sadat Hasan Manto and Ainie Haider.. It binds us… We mock at each other’s accents… and FIGHT more with each other FOR the simple reason that we cannot fight SOMEONE else. So we take our anger on each other ! Yeh ek majboori hai.. jo zavaal kee soorat mein aa jaati hai.. Qaum`on (aqwaam) ke andar.

Qissa taweel ho gaya.. and i lost in the forest of thoughts.. Vision blurred ho gaya. Grass roots kaam hona chaahiye. We need Rich People like Warren Buffett (and not the Sheikhs of Dubai)… and good governance in our societies. Individually we cannot do anything. (In the 56 so-called muslim countries., 98% of them live in dictatorships … under the American Viceroy). Qissa taweel ho gaya.

Maulana Mohammed Ali’s essay : Fight for the Turks… read it… and if you find it.. email it to me.. I wanna read it too.

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By: Ammar Ali Qureshi http://razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4320 Ammar Ali Qureshi Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:33:04 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4320 Thanks Dastagir for writing and informing me of different nuances of Urdu culture. What is the one-liner of Sarojini Naidu- I do not think I know about it or may be it is alluding my mind at the moment- can only tell once you inform me about it! The % of Muslims in UP was quite low- that much I know as it was a minority state of Muslims- I think it wont be high than 35-40%. Yes their influence was enormous not only on Urdu culture but also Muslim politics. UP along with Bengal was the driving force between Pakistan movement. I am also free of regional bias and have no problems in conceding that people from UP- Ahle-Zaban- as they are called speak Urdu better than people from other regions but that does not mean that people from other regions cant do equally well in Urdu if not better. Although I do not one to sound suffering from regional bias- but if you look at the last 100 years- Iqbal, Maulana Zafar Ali Khan and Faiz- the three greatest Urdu poets of the last century- were not from UP or were not Ahle-Zaban. I wonder as to what can be the factors which contributed to decline of standards. Although faiz did face competition from Josh ( who was a great poet and definitely had better command over the language) but Faiz trumped him in terms of following and status. Similaly Iqbal had no peer in whole of India ( excluding Tagore but then he was a poet in Bengali not Urdu)...During the last 100 years, Lucknow, Delhi or UP or Karachi ( where most of the Ahle-Zuban settled after 1947) did not produce a poet of the stature of Iqbal or Faiz... any thoughts about this particular aspect. Thanks Dastagir for writing and informing me of different nuances of Urdu culture.

What is the one-liner of Sarojini Naidu- I do not think I know about it or may be it is alluding my mind at the moment- can only tell once you inform me about it!

The % of Muslims in UP was quite low- that much I know as it was a minority state of Muslims- I think it wont be high than 35-40%. Yes their influence was enormous not only on Urdu culture but also Muslim politics. UP along with Bengal was the driving force between Pakistan movement.

I am also free of regional bias and have no problems in conceding that people from UP- Ahle-Zaban- as they are called speak Urdu better than people from other regions but that does not mean that people from other regions cant do equally well in Urdu if not better. Although I do not one to sound suffering from regional bias- but if you look at the last 100 years- Iqbal, Maulana Zafar Ali Khan and Faiz- the three greatest Urdu poets of the last century- were not from UP or were not Ahle-Zaban. I wonder as to what can be the factors which contributed to decline of standards. Although faiz did face competition from Josh ( who was a great poet and definitely had better command over the language) but Faiz trumped him in terms of following and status. Similaly Iqbal had no peer in whole of India ( excluding Tagore but then he was a poet in Bengali not Urdu)…During the last 100 years, Lucknow, Delhi or UP or Karachi ( where most of the Ahle-Zuban settled after 1947) did not produce a poet of the stature of Iqbal or Faiz… any thoughts about this particular aspect.

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By: Dastagir http://razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4318 Dastagir Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:49:04 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4318 Urdu and UP. This discussion has to be met head-on. One cannot avoid it for reasons of diplomacy. Delhi was the seat of Mughal power and after its fall... for a hundred years or so... we see sparks in Hyderabad and Lucknow (and other places like Rampur etc. etc.). Ammar.. this is for you.. There is something called "Indo-Muslim Culture". I am sure you knwo Sarojini's one-liner on this... Its very true. By the way i am not from UP. I am totally free of bias... BUT.... yes... people do have provincial bias. it is the reflection of an immature mind. Urdu + UP... is one problem... and Urdu + Muslim is another problem. The former part was damaged in 1902., when Devnagri became the language replacing Persian and Urdu in UP. Pls. re-collect Sir Syed's anger at this. That was THE turning point. The second severe blow was rendered in 1947. Pls dont forget that Pakistan was made for "islam in danger + urdu culture in danger". What is Urdu Culture ? It is the product of centuries of refinement.... the luxury that history afforded India... and its muslims. Basically it is the "Iranian" cultural influence... in matters of language, architecture, dress, food, accessories, jewelry, music, literature, and so on. The iranian domes (Gumbad)., mehraab (arches).. the Baghdadi Arch (which i love).... the Moroccan Arch, the Moorish (AL Hambra) Arch, The Christian Arch....the SYMBOLISM of it all. The inner court-yard for example.. Urdu is a by-product of this CULTURE.... this environ. It was a beautiful product.. but unfortunately.. got trampled by the bull-dozer of communal politics. Ammar.. pre-1947, what was the population % of muslims in UP ? Do you know that ? Yet, what was the cultural INFLUENCE of Indo-Muslim Culture in Indian (United India) life. This is the question... Urdu is a very beautiful language.... BUT.... right now.... in India... 160 Million Muslims (more than all the Arabs put together) are facing a crisis ! Under the present circumstances, it is my endeavour that we must adopt ENGLISH and FRENCH en`masse. We need to build the economic life of the community... the basic questions of survival. Jaan Hai.. to Jahaan hai.. (aur language bhee hai). Jaan ko mazboot karnaa hai. Jaan means the body and the mind. So... lets head off TO English.. .and French... with a vengeance. After 200 years, after we had built ourselves, we can always revert back to Urdu Persian and Arabic. Right now... our priorities are different. I know... this is a sacrifice. Sacrifice is inevitable... and we are giving it... Do not care for the next election.. or generation. One must have a 300-year vision ! English is a beautiful language... as beautiful as Urdu.. or Persian or Arabic. So lets adopt it. After English, French is next... Engilsh and French are so beautiful. Love them... and they will love you too. Love begets love... Change starts from the elite segment of a society and then "trickle-down effect" comes into operation. Initially there would be criticism.. So be it. Urdu and UP. This discussion has to be met head-on. One cannot avoid it for reasons of diplomacy. Delhi was the seat of Mughal power and after its fall… for a hundred years or so… we see sparks in Hyderabad and Lucknow (and other places like Rampur etc. etc.).

Ammar.. this is for you.. There is something called “Indo-Muslim Culture”. I am sure you knwo Sarojini’s one-liner on this… Its very true. By the way i am not from UP. I am totally free of bias… BUT…. yes… people do have provincial bias. it is the reflection of an immature mind.

Urdu + UP… is one problem… and Urdu + Muslim is another problem. The former part was damaged in 1902., when Devnagri became the language replacing Persian and Urdu in UP. Pls. re-collect Sir Syed’s anger at this. That was THE turning point. The second severe blow was rendered in 1947. Pls dont forget that Pakistan was made for “islam in danger + urdu culture in danger”. What is Urdu Culture ? It is the product of centuries of refinement…. the luxury that history afforded India… and its muslims.

Basically it is the “Iranian” cultural influence… in matters of language, architecture, dress, food, accessories, jewelry, music, literature, and so on. The iranian domes (Gumbad)., mehraab (arches).. the Baghdadi Arch (which i love)…. the Moroccan Arch, the Moorish (AL Hambra) Arch, The Christian Arch….the SYMBOLISM of it all. The inner court-yard for example.. Urdu is a by-product of this CULTURE…. this environ. It was a beautiful product.. but unfortunately.. got trampled by the bull-dozer of communal politics.

Ammar.. pre-1947, what was the population % of muslims in UP ? Do you know that ? Yet, what was the cultural INFLUENCE of Indo-Muslim Culture in Indian (United India) life. This is the question…

Urdu is a very beautiful language…. BUT…. right now…. in India… 160 Million Muslims (more than all the Arabs put together) are facing a crisis ! Under the present circumstances, it is my endeavour that we must adopt ENGLISH and FRENCH en`masse. We need to build the economic life of the community… the basic questions of survival. Jaan Hai.. to Jahaan hai.. (aur language bhee hai). Jaan ko mazboot karnaa hai. Jaan means the body and the mind. So… lets head off TO English.. .and French… with a vengeance. After 200 years, after we had built ourselves, we can always revert back to Urdu Persian and Arabic. Right now… our priorities are different. I know… this is a sacrifice. Sacrifice is inevitable… and we are giving it… Do not care for the next election.. or generation.

One must have a 300-year vision ! English is a beautiful language… as beautiful as Urdu.. or Persian or Arabic. So lets adopt it. After English, French is next… Engilsh and French are so beautiful. Love them… and they will love you too. Love begets love…

Change starts from the elite segment of a society and then “trickle-down effect” comes into operation. Initially there would be criticism.. So be it.

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By: Dastagir http://razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4317 Dastagir Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:32:22 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2008/03/23/my-travels-to-delhi/#comment-4317 Ammar... thanks for writing. The "beauty-contest" mind-set in matters of literature is deplorable. Ammar… thanks for writing. The “beauty-contest” mind-set in matters of literature is deplorable.

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