Comments on: “Behind the Clichs, a Modern Pakistan” http://razarumi.com/2007/10/15/behind-the-cliches-a-modern-pakistan/ Just another WordPress site Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:58:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Desicritics.org: Modern Pakistan & Musharraf's Liberalism http://razarumi.com/2007/10/15/behind-the-cliches-a-modern-pakistan/#comment-3014 Desicritics.org: Modern Pakistan & Musharraf's Liberalism Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:44:31 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2007/10/15/behind-the-cliches-a-modern-pakistan/#comment-3014 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] (published first in International Herald Tribune, later reproduced at The Pakistan Link, link via Raza Rumi) she does admit how, "For a returning native, Pakistan offers a kaleidoscope of images that [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] (published first in International Herald Tribune, later reproduced at The Pakistan Link, link via Raza Rumi) she does admit how, "For a returning native, Pakistan offers a kaleidoscope of images that [...]

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By: billo http://razarumi.com/2007/10/15/behind-the-cliches-a-modern-pakistan/#comment-3011 billo Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:31:12 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2007/10/15/behind-the-cliches-a-modern-pakistan/#comment-3011 Isn't the full quote: "..that defy the West's stereotypes"? One would like to know what is meant by such terms as " the West" and, more importantly, in what sense *isn't* this a "military dominated govt". It seems like a fairly accurate description to say the centre only has a "tenuous hold" on the provinces. Of course, one would not expect a civil servant or a politician or a 'fauji' to see anything *but* progress, since the "6% growth" over the last 30 years has mainly been appropriated by them. Isn’t the full quote: “..that defy the West’s stereotypes”?

One would like to know what is meant by such terms as ” the West” and, more importantly, in what sense *isn’t* this a “military dominated govt”. It seems like a fairly accurate description to say the centre only has a “tenuous hold” on the provinces.

Of course, one would not expect a civil servant or a politician or a ‘fauji’ to see anything *but* progress, since the “6% growth” over the last 30 years has mainly been appropriated by them.

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By: The Myth Of Pakistan & Musharaf’s Liberalism « Kaleidoscope http://razarumi.com/2007/10/15/behind-the-cliches-a-modern-pakistan/#comment-3008 The Myth Of Pakistan & Musharaf’s Liberalism « Kaleidoscope Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:56:04 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2007/10/15/behind-the-cliches-a-modern-pakistan/#comment-3008 [...] (published first in International Herald Tribune, later reproduced at The Pakistan Link, link via Raza Rumi) she does admit how, “For a returning native, Pakistan offers a kaleidoscope of images that [...] [...] (published first in International Herald Tribune, later reproduced at The Pakistan Link, link via Raza Rumi) she does admit how, “For a returning native, Pakistan offers a kaleidoscope of images that [...]

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By: Vidrohi http://razarumi.com/2007/10/15/behind-the-cliches-a-modern-pakistan/#comment-3004 Vidrohi Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:44:45 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2007/10/15/behind-the-cliches-a-modern-pakistan/#comment-3004 There is a good website on the Internet - fascistarmy.org - which sets the record straight to a large extent about the contemporary Pakistan. Ignoring the present crises of Pakistan can not be equated with optimism. This is more or less ostrich-ism or pigeon-ism. Optimism will be to recognize the problems and hope that the situation will better. There is a good website on the Internet – fascistarmy.org – which sets the record straight to a large extent about the contemporary Pakistan. Ignoring the present crises of Pakistan can not be equated with optimism. This is more or less ostrich-ism or pigeon-ism.

Optimism will be to recognize the problems and hope that the situation will better.

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By: Abu Muhammad http://razarumi.com/2007/10/15/behind-the-cliches-a-modern-pakistan/#comment-3001 Abu Muhammad Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:12:56 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2007/10/15/behind-the-cliches-a-modern-pakistan/#comment-3001 Pakistan is indeed a kaleidoscope of much positive minus politics and intolerance that is quickly gripping the society. Ironically both the problems have not been objectively recognized so far. To be able to see the glass as half full, one has to agree upon the minimum pre-requisites; in this case a collective ken that is not myopically prejudiced. Anyway, thanks for sharing that piece. It was a good reminder that a lot is changing as we continue living in moments. Pakistan is indeed a kaleidoscope of much positive minus politics and intolerance that is quickly gripping the society. Ironically both the problems have not been objectively recognized so far. To be able to see the glass as half full, one has to agree upon the minimum pre-requisites; in this case a collective ken that is not myopically prejudiced.

Anyway, thanks for sharing that piece. It was a good reminder that a lot is changing as we continue living in moments.

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By: billo http://razarumi.com/2007/10/15/behind-the-cliches-a-modern-pakistan/#comment-2999 billo Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:26:33 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2007/10/15/behind-the-cliches-a-modern-pakistan/#comment-2999 Sorry Raza, thought this was baloney, utter tosh, nonsense on stilts. I mean, let's put to one side the stark and obscene inequalities behind this "6 % growth". Politically: the country is a laughing stock after the farcical Ordinance and -though it pains me to say it-the ridiculous shenanigans of B.B. Kchi is is run by thugs and criminals..mafias. In Swat and other regions there has been a radicalisation (with prostitutes being beheaded, music shops burned to the ground). And in Wazirastan? Why don't they send some effin NGO's there? The army is demoralised (over 200 are being held prisoner and already three have been executed). And are you telling us that the nazims and army are any less corrupt? I don't know Raz, I've come back after three years and behind the superficialities of the 'new wealth' (which is really just the fee of a prostitute, if you excuse my language)there seems to be little, if any real progress. On a more general level, I see this country lurching to a conservate outlook. Would love to hear your own reflections/insights on the situation..in your own words. Sorry Raza, thought this was baloney, utter tosh, nonsense on stilts.

I mean, let’s put to one side the stark and obscene inequalities behind this “6 % growth”.
Politically: the country is a laughing stock after the farcical Ordinance and -though it pains me to say it-the ridiculous shenanigans of B.B. Kchi is is run by thugs and criminals..mafias.

In Swat and other regions there has been a radicalisation (with prostitutes being beheaded, music shops burned to the ground).
And in Wazirastan? Why don’t they send some effin NGO’s there? The army is demoralised (over 200 are being held prisoner and already three have been executed). And are you telling us that the nazims and army are any less corrupt?

I don’t know Raz, I’ve come back after three years and behind the superficialities of the ‘new wealth’ (which is really just the fee of a prostitute, if you excuse my language)there seems to be little, if any real progress.

On a more general level, I see this country lurching to a conservate outlook.

Would love to hear your own reflections/insights on the situation..in your own words.

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By: nocturnal http://razarumi.com/2007/10/15/behind-the-cliches-a-modern-pakistan/#comment-2998 nocturnal Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:54:03 +0000 http://www.razarumi.com/2007/10/15/behind-the-cliches-a-modern-pakistan/#comment-2998 Apart from how western media portray paksitani society, its a fact that our society is facing more problems than a decade ago. it depends on once own choice whether they like to moan about half empty chalice or just want to appreciate that atleast chalice is not completely empty. Apart from how western media portray paksitani society, its a fact that our society is facing more problems than a decade ago.

it depends on once own choice whether they like to moan about half empty chalice or just want to appreciate that atleast chalice is not completely empty.

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